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Applebaum talks about Twitter and cancel culture. Of course, her bemoaning of "judgement" on Twitter is odd, because she has used Twitter to throw mud at "Russ

Applebaum talks about Twitter and cancel culture. Of course, her bemoaning of "judgement" on Twitter is odd, because she has used Twitter to throw mud at "Russian spy" and "Russian propaganda" tool Edward Snowden ( https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aanneapplebaum%20snowden&src=typed_query https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aanneapplebaum%20snowden&... ), "apologist for Milosevic" and Nobel laureate Peter Handke ( https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aanneapplebaum%20milosevic&src=typed_query https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aanneapplebaum%20milosevi... ), "bizarre" Noam Chomsky ( https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aanneapplebaum%20chomsky&src=typed_query https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aanneapplebaum%20chomsky&... ) etc. Ok for her to judge and cancel on Twitter, not for the "mob" that judges her and her friends.

duxup 5y ago
I think there's a difference between noting someone else's choices and actions as wrong or 'bizarre' vs. the outcomes we see with the sort of mob justice that results in people losing their jobs over misquotes or sincere questions that might be uncomfortable. I'm not a part of any cancel culture because I call someone 'bizarre'.
- joshuamorton 5y ago
  Well, until enough other people start calling the same person bizarre.
krapp 5y ago
None of the people you mention were "cancelled" on Twitter. Criticising or expressing a negative opinion about someone is not "cancel culture."
- Supermancho 5y ago
  > "Russian spy" > "Russian propaganda" > "apologist for Milosevic" ie "What they say doesn't matter because it's to serve motive X" Using a label to dismiss all messaging of an actor (abstract), as it suits an agenda, is the defining characteristic of "cancel culture". This is generally a precursor to a bandwagon/snowball to de-platform the individual. This happens when a portion of individuals begin picking a side by taking action, sometimes out of caution. ie The proactive individuals don't want to face the possibility of similar behavior within a social network.
  - duxup 5y ago
    How specific does this get, you can't label things?
    - Supermancho 5y ago
      This isn't about labeling. My response is also not, specifically, about the story. This is about what is and what is not cancel culture. "Cancel culture" describes a culture, which necessarily exists in a community. It's been around since before the term "pariah" existed. There are cultures where specific acts have the effect of irrevocably excluding you from a community (exile). Now the rumor of an act or thought is, amplified by communication channels, to result in the same stigma.
  - vimy 5y ago
    The defining characteristic of cancel culture is harassing someone’s place of employment until the ‘offender’ gets fired.
    - anon1385 5y ago
      The defining characteristic of cancel culture is people with massive platforms who spend a lot of time trying to get people fired for saying then they disagree with complaining when people are rude to them on twitter (at best, much the time they are crying about people politely pointing out mistakes in what they are arguing).
  - krapp 5y ago
    >Using a label to dismiss all messaging of an actor (abstract), as it suits an agenda, is the defining characteristic of "cancel culture". No, it isn't. The defining characteristic of cancel culture has always been using collective online action to have someone ostracized from social or political circles, removed from their job or professional relationships, etc. >This is generally a precursor to a bandwagon/snowball to de-platform the individual. This happens when a portion of individuals begin picking a side by taking action, sometimes out of caution. Correct. that is cancel culture, and that part never happened in any of these cases. Simply calling someone names isn't cancel culture. If it were, every opponent of cancel culture referring to "witch hunts", "pearl-clutching mobs" or "Marxist SJWs" would be engaging in the very activity they denounce by denouncing it.
cblconfederate 5y ago
judging is kind of her job, but did she cancel someone? Not trying to defend her but this is interesting, if she is a professional canceller, then that makes this article more accurate

duxup 5y ago

I think there's a difference between noting someone else's choices and actions as wrong or 'bizarre' vs. the outcomes we see with the sort of mob justice that results in people losing their jobs over misquotes or sincere questions that might be uncomfortable. I'm not a part of any cancel culture because I call someone 'bizarre'.

joshuamorton 5y ago
Well, until enough other people start calling the same person bizarre.

krapp 5y ago

None of the people you mention were "cancelled" on Twitter. Criticising or expressing a negative opinion about someone is not "cancel culture."

Supermancho 5y ago
> "Russian spy" > "Russian propaganda" > "apologist for Milosevic" ie "What they say doesn't matter because it's to serve motive X" Using a label to dismiss all messaging of an actor (abstract), as it suits an agenda, is the defining characteristic of "cancel culture". This is generally a precursor to a bandwagon/snowball to de-platform the individual. This happens when a portion of individuals begin picking a side by taking action, sometimes out of caution. ie The proactive individuals don't want to face the possibility of similar behavior within a social network.
- duxup 5y ago
  How specific does this get, you can't label things?
  - Supermancho 5y ago
    This isn't about labeling. My response is also not, specifically, about the story. This is about what is and what is not cancel culture. "Cancel culture" describes a culture, which necessarily exists in a community. It's been around since before the term "pariah" existed. There are cultures where specific acts have the effect of irrevocably excluding you from a community (exile). Now the rumor of an act or thought is, amplified by communication channels, to result in the same stigma.
- vimy 5y ago
  The defining characteristic of cancel culture is harassing someone’s place of employment until the ‘offender’ gets fired.
  - anon1385 5y ago
    The defining characteristic of cancel culture is people with massive platforms who spend a lot of time trying to get people fired for saying then they disagree with complaining when people are rude to them on twitter (at best, much the time they are crying about people politely pointing out mistakes in what they are arguing).
- krapp 5y ago
  >Using a label to dismiss all messaging of an actor (abstract), as it suits an agenda, is the defining characteristic of "cancel culture". No, it isn't. The defining characteristic of cancel culture has always been using collective online action to have someone ostracized from social or political circles, removed from their job or professional relationships, etc. >This is generally a precursor to a bandwagon/snowball to de-platform the individual. This happens when a portion of individuals begin picking a side by taking action, sometimes out of caution. Correct. that is cancel culture, and that part never happened in any of these cases. Simply calling someone names isn't cancel culture. If it were, every opponent of cancel culture referring to "witch hunts", "pearl-clutching mobs" or "Marxist SJWs" would be engaging in the very activity they denounce by denouncing it.

cblconfederate 5y ago

judging is kind of her job, but did she cancel someone? Not trying to defend her but this is interesting, if she is a professional canceller, then that makes this article more accurate