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How do I turn off the “Try the new Safari” notification?
- MattGaiser 5y agoYou will want to click "Read all replies" at the bottom, as otherwise you can't see what Apple said.
- SilasX 5y agoHah, one of those top replies calls out Apple for violating their own user interface guidelines: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252412228?answerId=254696255022#254696255022 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252412228?answerId=2546... Edit: Oh that seems to be on the initial page now anyway.
- tablespoon 5y agoThis? > We would like to see how we can help you with your Mac. Have you clicked on try now? This will be the easiest way to stop the notification. So basically, "I only understand your problem in the most obtusely literal way possible."
- MattGaiser 5y agoYes. The easiest way to stop the problem is to comply.
- diebeforei485 5y agoYeah, unfortunately this is fairly typical for Apple to not follow their own guidelines for their own apps that generate revenue for them (Google pays Apple for Safari search traffic). I'm hoping antitrust action focuses on this double standard.
- echelon 5y agoApple shouldn't be allowed to develop a web browser or have an app store. Google shouldn't be allowed to have a web browser, and its ads business should be split off from search. They creep into synergies slowly, but it reaches really deep. These companies have become grocery stores and movie production companies! Apple is now rumored to be building cars. In a decade they'll be cleaning our teeth and selling us our homes. They tell us to dance to their beat or get cut off. Pay their 30% on our measly margins. Enough is enough. They can't soak into every aspect of our lives.
- justapassenger 5y agoThey should be allowed to develop anything they want. What they shouldn’t be allowed to do is to abuse their control of the platforms they own, to give them unfair advantage over competition.
- svachalek 5y agoThe definition of "abuse" is slippery and companies can stay far ahead of the judges. The classic solution for this is to separate the incentives, let different companies compete for users rather than having a single company leverage its strength from product to product to product. Then users can decide what is "abuse" for themselves.
- justapassenger 5y agoEverything in the law is slippery. Law isn’t built to be interpreted by simple if-else statements, but by humans, with taking lots of nuance, context and intention into the account. Also - there’s a tons of ways you can abuse position when you own the platforms. It could be by pushing your products, by giving specific partners preferential access, unequal enforcement of rules, discriminatory rules, etc, etc. That’s why broad terms like abuse exist in the context of the law, so you don’t have to list every single possible bad behavior and let judges decide. Is that perfect? No. But I’d argue it’s better than your proposal.
- freediver 5y agoThis. I consider pretty much everything Apple does a fair game except for one thing - access to private APIs for their own products, same products that then compete on the market with the products from developers invited with the expectation to build on the same platform. This single-handly invalidates the entire WWDC effort. If you want to make sure you have best products then do it through superior product, design and engineering craftsmanship. Don't 'cheat'! It just does not feel right and it is mind-boggling why is this the case. One thing is to have a say on what the app store fee is and 30% is fine, this is your cost of distribution that you accept. But the existence of private APIs means that whatever you do on their platform comes with a risk of them building a better, more-integrated product simply because they have access to platform features you don't. This is an incredibly bad position to be in as a developer on Apple platform developing any kind of serious product, let alone a competitor for existing Apple products (like we are doing, crazy enough to be building a Safari alternative). Apple, open same APIs your consumer apps have and make it a fair game. This will spark innovation, creativity and different ways of doing same things. It is exactly what you should be thriving for as a leader in the industry.
- torstenvl 5y agoTLDR: defaults write com.apple.coreservices.uiagent CSUIHasSafariBeenLaunched -bool YES defaults write com.apple.coreservices.uiagent CSUIRecommendSafariNextNotificationDate -date 2050-01-01T00:00:00Z defaults write com.apple.coreservices.uiagent CSUILastOSVersionWhereSafariRecommendationWasMade -float 99.99
- NelsonMinar 5y agoThe computer for the rest of us!
- smilekzs 5y ago^ I really hope people offering honestly useful workarounds feel welcome here...
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- jareklupinski 5y agothat's what the upvote button is for :)
- speeder 5y agoToday also I've been trying to figure out how to disable the "enable iCloud" notification that keeps popping up on MacOS too.
- dfabulich 5y agoTo see Apple's reply, you have to click "Helpful Answers ⬇" and select "All Replies." There, you can see the response from "ManJor," an Apple Community Specialist. For your convenience, here's what ManJor wrote: > Hello arjangch, > We would like to see how we can help you with your Mac. Have you clicked on try now? This will be the easiest way to stop the notification. If you restart the Mac, does the issue return? Follow the steps in this link to restart the Mac: [Log out, sleep, wake, restart, or shut down your Mac][1] > Cheers! [1] https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/log-out-sleep-wake-restart-or-shut-down-mchlp2522/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/log-out-sleep-wake-...
- RobRivera 5y agothey're not tonedef, theyre powerdrunk
- zamalek 5y ago> Have you clicked on try now? That is hilarious. Apple has become the very thing they criticized, or even worse. Microsoft had nagged me twice (one notification, one "try Edge" when switching to FF) about Edge.
- kvark 5y agoI find the "reboot" advice equally funny. As if this notification itself is a bug and shouldn't have been there to start with. What's next - try scanning your drive for a virus?
- ericmay 5y agoI agree they've been going downhill on these fronts, but... as someone who uses a Windows laptop for work and a Mac its not even close.
- tsuujin 5y agoHow did you manage this? MS constantly nags me about edge. It’s in menus, it sends me periodic “reminders”, etc. When I gave up and just started using Edge to make it stop, they started nagging me about switching to Bing. They call it “recommended settings”.
- brodock 5y agoThey should give this as evidence in the Apple vs Epic case.
- smoldesu 5y agoJeff Goldblum told me that there was no step 3...
- dang 5y agoWe detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28362014 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28362014.
- kylec 5y agoThis reminds me of the "Do Not Disturb while Driving" notification, where, despite not ever planning to use the feature, I had to turn it on, then off, to get the notification to stop showing up.
- liminalsunset 5y agoThis is the same for the Microphone Dictation button on the keyboard on iOS. If you don't intend to use it, you have to turn it on, then off to get the button to go away, even though it's off by default
- version_five 5y agoThis is from February and inactive now. The top post calling apple out for violating their own guidelines is gold though, even though that's obviously meaningless
- derefr 5y agoThis version of the dark pattern is specific to Safari, but both Microsoft and Apple have been doing this ~forever with their operating systems' respective "learn about what's new in [OS version]" notifications. Microsoft in particular has been doing this since at least XP. (Source: installing XP thousands of times at a computer recycler as a teenager.) Heck, Ubuntu has even done a few of these from time to time—for a while there was one for Ubuntu One. In all cases, the way to get rid of these kinds of out-of-box-experience pop-ups is to assent to them, then immediately close whatever presentation window gets opened. The OS here is like a bureaucrat covering its ass—it doesn't actually record whether you fully watch the presentation, it just needs to put a checkmark beside "got the user to open the OOBE presentation" and then stops caring. Not to say any of this is acceptable, but it's been "a thing" for a long time now, and we should really be looking at the how-and-why of the larger dark pattern here, rather than just this specific implementation.
- suzzer99 5y agoThe fun dark pattern now is I can't copy images from Chrome and send them to non-Apple recipients in iMessage. But screenshots and copying images from Safari works fine. Naturally there are a bunch of threads about it on the Apple forums with no helpful replies, and then auto-lock without any resolution. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252071606 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252071606 This likely wasn't intentional. But they're sure in no hurry to fix it.
- heartbreak 5y agoThat doesn’t sound like an Apple problem, that sounds like a Google Chrome problem. Which is probably why Apple closes the forum threads.
- derefr 5y agoEh, probably somewhere in between. I'm guessing it's a .webp being dragged, and for some reason iMessage (as a drag-and-drop drop-target) is claiming to be able to accept those, so Chrome doesn't bother to offer a JPEG representation, but instead just hands over the .webp as is. Then iMessage takes it, and realizes that it does not, in fact, know what to do with it. The more interesting thing is that iMessage does deliver the image, when it's to an iMessage recipient. Just not when it's to an SMS recipient. So I'm registering my guess for the root cause as: the drop-target content-type capabilities for the iMessage chat window aren't being dynamically varied with the recipient type.
- Jensson 5y agoDoesn't Apple review its own apps to ensure they follow the appstore guidelines?
- kibwen 5y agoOf course, although keep in mind that Rule 0 of the App Store Guidelines reads thus: "Rules for thee, not for me."
- perihelions 5y ago"Who should your computer take its orders from? Most people think their computers should obey them, not obey someone else."
- judge2020 5y agoComputers have been obeying other peoples' orders since the inception of OS/software licensing.
- beezischillin 5y agoWith the previous macOS versions I had similar difficulties trying to get rid of the notification popup offering a “quick tour” of the OS after an update. In Big Sur the only persistently annoying popup is the one that appears for not gracefully unplugging external storage. It gets triggered by a power outage and it haunts me for days or weeks and then it randomly goes away. Pretty annoying.
- NelsonMinar 5y agoMy Windows machine doesn't seem to have this problem. OTOH it has a problem where every major update Microsoft tries its best to trick me into using Edge as my default browser again. Remember when we used to have antitrust investigations over this kind of thing?
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- whoisjuan 5y ago> This notification should be escalated as a bug, as it violates Apple Human Interface Guidelines Bold of them to assume that Apple will follow their own guidelines if they are detrimental to their product strategy. Objectively speaking, these are guidelines, so they are not enforceable the same way App Store rules are. But there's also a lot to say about the differences between Apple as a platform and a Apple as a product. I think Apple has never even remotely consider the idea of setting the sames rules for their third-party ecosystem and their own products. They have build billionaire business lines on the sole idea of products that integrate better with MacOS and iOS (Safari, Maps, Mail, etc) Anyone who uses an Apple product knows this. So I think is pointless to call them out on that. This has been Apple's playbook for the last 20 years and it will be for years to come unless regulation catches up to them. Time will tell.
- cm2187 5y agoParticularly given that Apple is probably the worst offender in term of nagging for services and not taking no for an answer. On every iOS update I will be nagged for Apple services that I have already opted out 20 times.
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- spankalee 5y agoApple also does not let you uninstall Apple Music, nor disable opening it from interactions with bluetooth headphones. It's incredibly annoying and they refuse to address it.
- judge2020 5y agoYes, they do. Hold on the music app, click the dash to delete it.
- whatever7 5y agoSame thing in Gmail recently. An annoying dialog comes up that tries to get you to use their video call feature, with no cancel or dismiss button. The modal doesn't go away and I ended up adding it to my blocklist, but in a new browser window, I get it again. Extremely annoying. > See what's new in Gmail > We've made it easier for you to chat and make video calls in Gmail > Get Started https://support.google.com/accounts/thread/113132016/how-do-i-get-rid-of-see-what-s-new-in-gmail-box-blocking-access-to-my-email?hl=en https://support.google.com/accounts/thread/113132016/how-do-...
- ppierald 5y agoMy least favorite and most annoying Google nag is the not-so-helpful reminder of which google account I am logged-in as on every google doc I open through out the day. A dismiss click is needed for "You're currently signed in as xxxxx@whatever.com". No disable button. Just suffer.
- judge2020 5y agoThis is because Google Docs operates similarly to YouTube in that your signed-in user is determined by a per-tab session. Especially for editing content, a workplace-owned Doc with misconfigured permissions might open on your personal on account when you probably want to sign in with your workspace email.
- ninkendo 5y agoMy general rule is: Technology shouldn’t initiate communications with me, ever. Ever ever. I call the shots, software needs to do what I tell it, and only what I tell it. People can communicate with me through technology, so things like text messages/calls/emails triggering alerts, that’s fine. But an app, OS, website, etc should never try to initiate any sort of communication or alert on its own (only in response to something I’m doing.) Software breaks this rule so often, but every single time, it’s inexcusable. I don’t care about your newsletter. I don’t care about “trying out” whatever shit you’re trying to push on me. No I don’t want “tips”. No I don’t want to “see what’s new” (if I did, I’d seek out the thing in your app that tells me what’s new.) I don’t want my first run in the Music app to consist of this big modal dialog that prevents me from doing anything until I press a big “Start Listening” button. Every single one of these product decisions likely came from some PM who made the case for it citing “it really increases engagement in A/B tests” or “studies show users don’t know about <feature> unless we tell them”, but every one of those PM’s should be removed from decision making until they learn to behave. The software you make should be a tool for the user, not a tool for you to juice your metrics. Apple software has gotten worse, and worse, and worse with this over the years, so much that I’d consider abandoning the entire ecosystem if it wasn’t likely just as bad on the other side.
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- devoutsalsa 5y agoThe one I hate is the little bang red warning on settings to set up Apple Pay on my iPad. I’m never going to buy anything on my iPad!
- jrockway 5y ago> I’m never going to buy anything on my iPad! Not if you don't set it up! (I kid, of course. It always made me mad how iOS was supposed to be the OS that respects your attention and just silently does its job, but first-party apps are worse than third-party apps. Steve Jobs died and that idea went right out the window. Now it's more like "100% of iPad users have lots of disposable income that we could get 30% of!")
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- Osiris 5y agoThe macOS "Updates are available" notification similarly only has Update Now or Remind Me Tomorrow options. There's no "I don't want to upgrade to the last macOS release".
- nomdep 5y agoMany options! A. Try it B. Use Firefox C. Use Chrome
- mnadkvlb 5y agoI love apple hardware, but despise the software. I could only live with apple after I have blocked all apple nagware domains at pihole. Life is beautiful now: * i don't get update notifications, while i am watching a movie on apple tv. ( who thought thats a good idea ?? ) * i don't get nagware on phone to update the phone * no more "please use icloud" bs Honestly, whenever i want to update my device i see latest version and reviews. If a bunch of reddit posts show it to be nagware than actual updates, i skip it. Of course, it needs some work on my part. But if you like apple hardware, this might be a good way. If you are looking for domains to block, let me know and i can send the full list including some regexes that i use in pihole.
- judge2020 5y agoWhat will you do when DoT+ECH (encrypted client hello/encrypted SNI) is the default? block 17.0.0.0/8?
- mnadkvlb 5y agoGood point. Honestly, not sure. At some point i think i will have to run a firewall when these guys won't allow custom dns anymore. I had in past looked into putting a pfsense but its definitely not a good fit for raspberry hardware, if you have a fiber/gigabit internet.
- Razengan 5y agoI wish Google would stop pushing Chrome every time you try to user their search engine. Why doesn’t Apple make them stop that shit as part of the billion dollar default search deal?
- 1-6 5y agoApple has become the Microsoft of the 90's.
- axiosgunnar 5y agohello it‘s me, the anti-trust attorney general