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So I would agree that things like closing borders are closing the barn doors after the horse has not merely left but come back, had babies, raised them, and the

So I would agree that things like closing borders are closing the barn doors after the horse has not merely left but come back, had babies, raised them, and then the entire family left. There is a lot of room for discussion of what restrictions are necessary (e.g., mask mandates, especially in schools), and for more rational basis of restrictions to be implemented, that should be happening but isn't because this has all become hopelessly politicized. But antivax? Vaccinations clearly reduce incidences of COVID-19, especially those cases that induce the most strain on our health systems. And the strain that the current wave is producing is indeed intense--there are water treatment plants struggling to get enough liquid oxygen because so much is going to intubated COVID-19 patients. So there's increased risk of giving a major metropolitan city cholera because of the current COVID-19 wave. So the justification for not getting a vaccine at this point that the antivaxers push basically boils down to "I don't feel like it." That's not going to engender a lot of sympathy from those who realize that the antivaxers are basically murderers by proxy.

nradov 5y ago
I encourage everyone to get vaccinated if they can, but calling antivaxers murderers by proxy is illogical and inconsistent. We know that obesity is a preventable and treatable condition, and that it greatly increases the risk of COVID-19 hospitalization. So should we also label obese people as murderers by proxy? Obviously not. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e4.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e4.htm Instead of insulting them to make yourself feel morally superior it's more productive to focus on education and persuasion.
- jcranmer 5y ago
  Obesity isn't a condition that is easily changed by choice--ending obesity requires some pretty major lifestyle changes, and maintaining that lifestyle change for an extended period. It's probably harder than quitting smoking. Choosing to change your mind and get vaccinated is a radically different situation. It's not hard to find a vaccination site; it's not hard to get to a center if you need to--it's basically as hard as going shopping, which is already a decently common activity for much of the population.

nradov 5y ago

I encourage everyone to get vaccinated if they can, but calling antivaxers murderers by proxy is illogical and inconsistent. We know that obesity is a preventable and treatable condition, and that it greatly increases the risk of COVID-19 hospitalization. So should we also label obese people as murderers by proxy? Obviously not. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e4.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e4.htm Instead of insulting them to make yourself feel morally superior it's more productive to focus on education and persuasion.

jcranmer 5y ago
Obesity isn't a condition that is easily changed by choice--ending obesity requires some pretty major lifestyle changes, and maintaining that lifestyle change for an extended period. It's probably harder than quitting smoking. Choosing to change your mind and get vaccinated is a radically different situation. It's not hard to find a vaccination site; it's not hard to get to a center if you need to--it's basically as hard as going shopping, which is already a decently common activity for much of the population.