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Outlook is the obvious (paid) contender not mentioned. Great UI, you can connect to pretty much any email address (although works best with Exchange, but you d

by Closi 5y ago

Outlook is the obvious (paid) contender not mentioned. Great UI, you can connect to pretty much any email address (although works best with Exchange, but you don't have to host your mail on 365) and has native Windows, OSX, Android and iOS clients, all bundled in for about $6 per month. Plus if the company you work for has 365 you can usually use those licences for home too (5 device licence is standard per seat). Plus, for that $6 a month you also get Word, Excel, Powerpoint, OneNote and 1TB of OneDrive space. I don't want to sound like a Microsoft shill, but 365 is a steal considering what you get for the cost. But it's not free.

turbinerneiter 5y ago
The experience on Linux is beyond terrible, all the MS webapps are hot garbage.
- solarkraft 5y ago
  Compared to the desktop version Outlook for web is pure heaven.
- MadcapJake 5y ago
  Totally opposite for me, outlook desktop is so slow, regularly crashes and has horrible patchwork of UI and the web client has been great, super fast and feels like a streamlined and unified evolution. Adding ics events is bizarre and annoying but other than that, i'll never go back.
- pbedat 5y ago
  Wait until you have to deal with the admin web apps. To enable mail forwarding to another domain I had to install powershell and a plugin to install a plugin to allow forwarding in my org. Then there are times when it says : „To change this setting please enable the legacy UI“ And everything of this convoluted UX hell is documented in a dizzying but highly accurate documentation. I have to give them that! Switched to protonmail and not looking back.
  - firexcy 5y ago
    Since you mentioned this could you please give some hints on how to enable external forwarding at all? Spent hours on the issue last month before finally giving up deciphering the maze of the legacy UI. Thanks in advance.
    - pbedat 5y ago
      I also lost many hours and nerves until I figured it out. But it let me get a glimpse on the true and frightening nature of Microsoft. Okay so step 1: you try to enable forwarding, but the UI gives you an error about some policy that has to be set https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/exchange/recipients-in-exchange-online/manage-user-mailboxes/configure-email-forwarding#use-the-classic-exchange-admin-center-to-configure-email-forwarding https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/exchange/recipients-in-exch... Step 2: you have to find the anti spam settings in a UI called „defender something“ and turn the automatic forwarding polic on. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/security/office-365-security/configure-the-outbound-spam-policy?view=o365-worldwide https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/security/offi... Again the UI doesn‘t allow this because some setting in your organisation is disabled. Step 3: the hard part. This setting can only be disabled through powershell. Google the name of it and you will find some docs about it. There might be other ways to achieve forwarding. At least it sounds like that in the docs, but then they must be buried deep below the legacy UIs. Good luck!
vetinari 5y ago
> Great UI This is very subjective; I hate it ;). I consider Apple's Mail.app/Calendar.app/etc much better UI-wise. > Android Note that Outlook for Android (not sure about iOS version) is rebranded Acompli client, which sucked all your email into the cloud. This was instant no-go when it originally came out, so I ended up with Nine (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ninefolders.hd3 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ninefolder...), which has an additional advantage, that the device admin rules enforced by Exchange can be applied to app only, not to the entire device.
- Closi 5y ago
  > This is very subjective; I hate it ;). I consider Apple's Mail.app/Calendar.app/etc much better UI-wise. Agree it is completely subjective - and I actually think that the Apple apps look better and are simpler to use, but personally I spend a lot of time in emails and arranging meetings, and I can get what I need to get done faster in Outlook (although I have tried to get along with Mail/Calendar in OSX, it's just slower for me). For instance, let's say someone writes an email to me with 10 people on copy and says that we need to organise a teams/zoom call (which is a pretty common thing), the workflow for this in Outlook would be 5 clicks and can be done entirely within the application (including creating the Teams/Zoom call link). In Mail.app/Calendar.app it's way more involved and you get lots less control. But if you just want a casual email client, then Mail.app probably does what lots of people need it to do. So when I talk about good-UI for me personally, I'm not necessarily talking about it being beautiful, but I think Outlook is more functional specifically for a power-user.
pge 5y ago
I'm a big fan of outlook as well, but it should be noted that it doesn't have write access to google calendars which can be frustrating. As a mail client, it is great.
poglet 5y ago
Unfortunately you can't open iCal calendars in the Outlook clients anymore. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/troubleshoot/calendaring/cannot-add-an-internet-calendar https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/troubleshoot/calend...
- Cacti 5y ago
  That’s not what that doc says at all.

by Closi 5y ago

turbinerneiter 5y ago

The experience on Linux is beyond terrible, all the MS webapps are hot garbage.

solarkraft 5y ago
Compared to the desktop version Outlook for web is pure heaven.
MadcapJake 5y ago
Totally opposite for me, outlook desktop is so slow, regularly crashes and has horrible patchwork of UI and the web client has been great, super fast and feels like a streamlined and unified evolution. Adding ics events is bizarre and annoying but other than that, i'll never go back.
pbedat 5y ago
Wait until you have to deal with the admin web apps. To enable mail forwarding to another domain I had to install powershell and a plugin to install a plugin to allow forwarding in my org. Then there are times when it says : „To change this setting please enable the legacy UI“ And everything of this convoluted UX hell is documented in a dizzying but highly accurate documentation. I have to give them that! Switched to protonmail and not looking back.
- firexcy 5y ago
  Since you mentioned this could you please give some hints on how to enable external forwarding at all? Spent hours on the issue last month before finally giving up deciphering the maze of the legacy UI. Thanks in advance.
  - pbedat 5y ago
    I also lost many hours and nerves until I figured it out. But it let me get a glimpse on the true and frightening nature of Microsoft. Okay so step 1: you try to enable forwarding, but the UI gives you an error about some policy that has to be set https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/exchange/recipients-in-exchange-online/manage-user-mailboxes/configure-email-forwarding#use-the-classic-exchange-admin-center-to-configure-email-forwarding https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/exchange/recipients-in-exch... Step 2: you have to find the anti spam settings in a UI called „defender something“ and turn the automatic forwarding polic on. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/security/office-365-security/configure-the-outbound-spam-policy?view=o365-worldwide https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/security/offi... Again the UI doesn‘t allow this because some setting in your organisation is disabled. Step 3: the hard part. This setting can only be disabled through powershell. Google the name of it and you will find some docs about it. There might be other ways to achieve forwarding. At least it sounds like that in the docs, but then they must be buried deep below the legacy UIs. Good luck!

vetinari 5y ago

> Great UI This is very subjective; I hate it ;). I consider Apple's Mail.app/Calendar.app/etc much better UI-wise. > Android Note that Outlook for Android (not sure about iOS version) is rebranded Acompli client, which sucked all your email into the cloud. This was instant no-go when it originally came out, so I ended up with Nine (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ninefolders.hd3 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ninefolder...), which has an additional advantage, that the device admin rules enforced by Exchange can be applied to app only, not to the entire device.

Closi 5y ago
> This is very subjective; I hate it ;). I consider Apple's Mail.app/Calendar.app/etc much better UI-wise. Agree it is completely subjective - and I actually think that the Apple apps look better and are simpler to use, but personally I spend a lot of time in emails and arranging meetings, and I can get what I need to get done faster in Outlook (although I have tried to get along with Mail/Calendar in OSX, it's just slower for me). For instance, let's say someone writes an email to me with 10 people on copy and says that we need to organise a teams/zoom call (which is a pretty common thing), the workflow for this in Outlook would be 5 clicks and can be done entirely within the application (including creating the Teams/Zoom call link). In Mail.app/Calendar.app it's way more involved and you get lots less control. But if you just want a casual email client, then Mail.app probably does what lots of people need it to do. So when I talk about good-UI for me personally, I'm not necessarily talking about it being beautiful, but I think Outlook is more functional specifically for a power-user.

pge 5y ago

I'm a big fan of outlook as well, but it should be noted that it doesn't have write access to google calendars which can be frustrating. As a mail client, it is great.

poglet 5y ago

Unfortunately you can't open iCal calendars in the Outlook clients anymore. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/troubleshoot/calendaring/cannot-add-an-internet-calendar https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/troubleshoot/calend...

Cacti 5y ago
That’s not what that doc says at all.