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This isn't the case where the actions of the group are harmless to me. Unvaccinated people and antimaskers are creating a more dangerous environment for me thr

This isn't the case where the actions of the group are harmless to me. Unvaccinated people and antimaskers are creating a more dangerous environment for me through their actions and inactions.

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huibf 5y ago
If you are vaccinated then you have nothing to worry about, right? ;-)
- otterley 5y ago
  Not necessarily. The number of COVID infection cases related to new variants among the vaccinated population is increasing. That's why I'm back to wearing a mask again. If everyone had been vaccinated as soon as the vaccine was available to them, and were using good mask and hand-washing hygiene, it might not have come to this.
- dfxm12 5y ago
  No. I don't know if the winky face is to denote sarcasm, but it seems like it should still be noted that because so many people who could be vaccinated are refusing to get vaccinated, vaccinated people and people who can't get the vaccine still have to worry about a greater chance of catching a variant strain and also hospitals not being able to care for them (for any reason) because they're being bogged down treating preventable disease.
  - the_doctah 5y ago
    Variant strains are going to happen regardless of what we do, just like with the flu. This is an invalid argument that people keep using in ignorance. It's like people honestly believe the world was going to achieve 100% vaccination rate.
    - dfxm12 5y ago
      It's a shame I didn't argue that variant strains were never going to happen, then. If you want to talk about arguments made in ignorance, please start by not putting words in other people's mouths.
    - failrate 5y ago
      Likelihood of variant strains depends on the infection rate. Reduce the number of infections and you reduce the variants. Talk to me about how near total vaccination rates are impossible the next time you contract smallpox or polio.
      - the_doctah 5y ago
        Those vaccines you mentioned actually worked to decrease infection rates though. If the covid vaccine stopped the spread of the virus I would be agreeing with you. Can you imagine if the Polio vaccine "wore off" like the Covid vaccine seems to?
        failrate 5y ago
        You are making an extraordinary claim when you state that the vaccine does not prevent spread. Additionally, the flu vaccine becomes ineffective year after year expressly because of variant strains arising from unvaccinated people failing to take precautions like wearing masks, socially distancing during epidemics, and avoiding school and work while infectious.
        nradov 5y ago
        The vaccines don't reliably prevent spread. That is hardly an extraordinary claim, it's an established scientific fact. Fortunately the vaccines are still very effective at preventing deaths. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
        5y ago
the_doctah 5y ago
Are they? The vaccine doesn't even stop transmission of covid, and the effectiveness of non-N95 masks is dubious at best. So really the only variable is whether you yourself are vaccinated or not. You seem to be just parroting the media and Reddit.
- failrate 5y ago
  Vaccines reduce transmission rates for the variant for which they are developed. The wearing of masks for COVID had the unintended side effect of eliminating some strains of influenza. I don't read Reddit, and I take my media with a healthy grain of salt, but we are talking about the basic function of virii and the immune system.
CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
This is a fallacious line of reasoning that is incredibly vulnerable to slippery slope and moving goalposts. While the saying is true that "your right to swing your arm ends where my nose begins," that argument falls apart when you try to apply it beyond one-on-one interactions with direct consequences into group generalities and indirect/indeterminable consequences, such as "creating a more dangerous environment." It does not allow you to prohibit things, nor compel others, out of a feared or perceived potential for harm. That reasoning leads straight to 1984's "freedom is slavery."
- toiletfuneral 5y ago
  Hey can I get some clarification? Are you saying the liberty of people with COVID who ignore precautions are the victims to worry about here? I could’ve sworn it was illegal to pass on viruses if you knew you were infected, but that was gays and not true patriots, so I’m sure the rules are different now

This isn't the case where the actions of the group are harmless to me. Unvaccinated people and antimaskers are creating a more dangerous environment for me through their actions and inactions.

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huibf 5y ago

If you are vaccinated then you have nothing to worry about, right? ;-)

otterley 5y ago
Not necessarily. The number of COVID infection cases related to new variants among the vaccinated population is increasing. That's why I'm back to wearing a mask again. If everyone had been vaccinated as soon as the vaccine was available to them, and were using good mask and hand-washing hygiene, it might not have come to this.
dfxm12 5y ago
No. I don't know if the winky face is to denote sarcasm, but it seems like it should still be noted that because so many people who could be vaccinated are refusing to get vaccinated, vaccinated people and people who can't get the vaccine still have to worry about a greater chance of catching a variant strain and also hospitals not being able to care for them (for any reason) because they're being bogged down treating preventable disease.
- the_doctah 5y ago
  Variant strains are going to happen regardless of what we do, just like with the flu. This is an invalid argument that people keep using in ignorance. It's like people honestly believe the world was going to achieve 100% vaccination rate.
  - dfxm12 5y ago
    It's a shame I didn't argue that variant strains were never going to happen, then. If you want to talk about arguments made in ignorance, please start by not putting words in other people's mouths.
  - failrate 5y ago
    Likelihood of variant strains depends on the infection rate. Reduce the number of infections and you reduce the variants. Talk to me about how near total vaccination rates are impossible the next time you contract smallpox or polio.
    - the_doctah 5y ago
      Those vaccines you mentioned actually worked to decrease infection rates though. If the covid vaccine stopped the spread of the virus I would be agreeing with you. Can you imagine if the Polio vaccine "wore off" like the Covid vaccine seems to?
      - failrate 5y ago
        You are making an extraordinary claim when you state that the vaccine does not prevent spread. Additionally, the flu vaccine becomes ineffective year after year expressly because of variant strains arising from unvaccinated people failing to take precautions like wearing masks, socially distancing during epidemics, and avoiding school and work while infectious.
        nradov 5y ago
        The vaccines don't reliably prevent spread. That is hardly an extraordinary claim, it's an established scientific fact. Fortunately the vaccines are still very effective at preventing deaths. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
        5y ago

the_doctah 5y ago

Are they? The vaccine doesn't even stop transmission of covid, and the effectiveness of non-N95 masks is dubious at best. So really the only variable is whether you yourself are vaccinated or not. You seem to be just parroting the media and Reddit.

failrate 5y ago
Vaccines reduce transmission rates for the variant for which they are developed. The wearing of masks for COVID had the unintended side effect of eliminating some strains of influenza. I don't read Reddit, and I take my media with a healthy grain of salt, but we are talking about the basic function of virii and the immune system.

CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago

This is a fallacious line of reasoning that is incredibly vulnerable to slippery slope and moving goalposts. While the saying is true that "your right to swing your arm ends where my nose begins," that argument falls apart when you try to apply it beyond one-on-one interactions with direct consequences into group generalities and indirect/indeterminable consequences, such as "creating a more dangerous environment." It does not allow you to prohibit things, nor compel others, out of a feared or perceived potential for harm. That reasoning leads straight to 1984's "freedom is slavery."

toiletfuneral 5y ago
Hey can I get some clarification? Are you saying the liberty of people with COVID who ignore precautions are the victims to worry about here? I could’ve sworn it was illegal to pass on viruses if you knew you were infected, but that was gays and not true patriots, so I’m sure the rules are different now