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Agreed. Everyone flying in and out is vetted and tested. That's more than anyone can say for their local supermarket. Borders are some of the most "covid-secure

by brink 5y ago

Agreed. Everyone flying in and out is vetted and tested. That's more than anyone can say for their local supermarket. Borders are some of the most "covid-secure" places in the world. This shit is just politics at this point.

nostromo 5y ago
It's security theater, but in response to public health instead of terrorism concerns.
vladvasiliu 5y ago
> This shit is just politics at this point. I think it has been for a while. I don't remember the exact date, but around the end of 2020 / beginning 2021 at one point travel between France and the UK was allowed. Then suddenly, UK deemed France as too dangerous or something, which could be justified since cases in France were rising rapidly, whereas in Britain they were relatively stable. The next day, France halted travel from the UK "in retaliation". It seems to me that the level of danger of a country isn't particularly related to how that country's politicians view your own, but what do I know?
- nradov 5y ago
  Are migrants still traveling from France to the UK by stowing away on commercial trucks? (And to be clear I'm not trying to make a political point about migration, just curious about the current state of border security.) https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35807136 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35807136
- swiley 5y ago
  Looking back it’s been that since April last year.
LurkingPenguin 5y ago
> Everyone flying in and out is vetted and tested. A PCR test before your flight isn't a very good insurance policy. You can easily get infected between the time you take the test and the time you fly. And of course you can be infected in transit. Vaccination? Doesn't mean as much anymore thanks to Delta. Proof: 30% of all new COVID cases in Los Angeles are in fully vaccinated individuals. But yeah, at least as far as the US and EU are concerned, this is politics. Both places are nasty petri dishes at this point.
RangerScience 5y ago
Found out that a friend-of-a-friend tested positive while in another country (Costa Rica, I think?) so they got a fake negative test so they could return to the US and "recover at home".
- nradov 5y ago
  The last time I travelled back to the US it was sufficient to show a PDF of a rapid antigen test from 3 days ago on my smartphone. Those are trivial to fake, there's no security on the files at all. (I don't encourage anyone to do that.)
- effingwewt 5y ago
  Was walking through some apartments yesterday and a lady in a moomoo was talking with her neighbor. Their dogs were playing, they were just out enjoying the day. I hear moomoo lady say she in on forced at-home quarantine for covid. The poor neighbor. I saw the horror on her face as she scooped up her dog and ran away. I was so grateful for my mask, and I've had covid and am vaccinated. Moomoo lady had no mask, no gloves, couldn't have been any closer to her neighbor. She knew she was sick, just could not have cared less. It's truly mind boggling some care absolutely nothing for others. Maybe it's always been this way and covid just made it all visible.
klipt 5y ago
The tests are not perfect. Multiply their false negative rate, by the rate of infection in the country the traveler is from, and that is the rate of infection among people you're letting into the country. This is how variants like Delta can spread globally.
908B64B197 5y ago
> This shit is just politics at this point. Always has been.
8note 5y ago
Somehow, delta got from India to the US, so clearly those settings and testings aren't sufficient
qnsi 5y ago
but I think it's politics from US side. Vaccinated people from EU can't go to US. Meanwhile vaccinated people will still be able to come to EU from USA.
dep_b 5y ago
Yep. We've got double jabbed relatives from Argentina that are barred from travel because Sputnik V isn't approved. Yet it's one of the most effective vaccines out there.

by brink 5y ago

nostromo 5y ago

It's security theater, but in response to public health instead of terrorism concerns.

vladvasiliu 5y ago

> This shit is just politics at this point. I think it has been for a while. I don't remember the exact date, but around the end of 2020 / beginning 2021 at one point travel between France and the UK was allowed. Then suddenly, UK deemed France as too dangerous or something, which could be justified since cases in France were rising rapidly, whereas in Britain they were relatively stable. The next day, France halted travel from the UK "in retaliation". It seems to me that the level of danger of a country isn't particularly related to how that country's politicians view your own, but what do I know?

nradov 5y ago
Are migrants still traveling from France to the UK by stowing away on commercial trucks? (And to be clear I'm not trying to make a political point about migration, just curious about the current state of border security.) https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35807136 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35807136
swiley 5y ago
Looking back it’s been that since April last year.

LurkingPenguin 5y ago

> Everyone flying in and out is vetted and tested. A PCR test before your flight isn't a very good insurance policy. You can easily get infected between the time you take the test and the time you fly. And of course you can be infected in transit. Vaccination? Doesn't mean as much anymore thanks to Delta. Proof: 30% of all new COVID cases in Los Angeles are in fully vaccinated individuals. But yeah, at least as far as the US and EU are concerned, this is politics. Both places are nasty petri dishes at this point.

RangerScience 5y ago

Found out that a friend-of-a-friend tested positive while in another country (Costa Rica, I think?) so they got a fake negative test so they could return to the US and "recover at home".

nradov 5y ago
The last time I travelled back to the US it was sufficient to show a PDF of a rapid antigen test from 3 days ago on my smartphone. Those are trivial to fake, there's no security on the files at all. (I don't encourage anyone to do that.)
effingwewt 5y ago
Was walking through some apartments yesterday and a lady in a moomoo was talking with her neighbor. Their dogs were playing, they were just out enjoying the day. I hear moomoo lady say she in on forced at-home quarantine for covid. The poor neighbor. I saw the horror on her face as she scooped up her dog and ran away. I was so grateful for my mask, and I've had covid and am vaccinated. Moomoo lady had no mask, no gloves, couldn't have been any closer to her neighbor. She knew she was sick, just could not have cared less. It's truly mind boggling some care absolutely nothing for others. Maybe it's always been this way and covid just made it all visible.

klipt 5y ago

The tests are not perfect. Multiply their false negative rate, by the rate of infection in the country the traveler is from, and that is the rate of infection among people you're letting into the country. This is how variants like Delta can spread globally.

908B64B197 5y ago

> This shit is just politics at this point. Always has been.

8note 5y ago

Somehow, delta got from India to the US, so clearly those settings and testings aren't sufficient

qnsi 5y ago

but I think it's politics from US side. Vaccinated people from EU can't go to US. Meanwhile vaccinated people will still be able to come to EU from USA.

dep_b 5y ago

Yep. We've got double jabbed relatives from Argentina that are barred from travel because Sputnik V isn't approved. Yet it's one of the most effective vaccines out there.