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First paragraph in the linked article: The Council of the European Union voted on Monday to recommend reinstating a ban on non-essential travel from the Un
by latch 5y ago
First paragraph in the linked article:
The Council of the European Union voted on Monday to recommend reinstating a ban on non-essential travel from the United States due to its high rate of COVID-19 infections.
- josephcsible 5y agoThat's the convenient excuse, not the real reason.
- ed_elliott_asc 5y agoDo you know something else? Have you more details?
- josephcsible 5y agoMy point was that if someone says the stated reason and real reason for something are different, citing the stated reason is not a valid rebuttal to that claim.
- eesmith 5y agoI read josephcsible 's comment as asking for support for the claim that the read reason is not the stated one.
- technothrasher 5y agoThe response was not a rebuttal, it was a request for evidence for the claim.
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- kurofune 5y agoPlease, stop being emotional about policies and try to offer data if you are so sure about it being a "convenient excuse", don't engage in baseless speculation.
- vincentmarle 5y agoJust read the news, it has been reported multiple times that EU officials were not keen on the lack of reciprocity.
- turbinerneiter 5y agoCan't really hold it against them, right? EU also took some back some tariffs they put up as reactions to tariffs Trump put up. Biden smiled, said thanks and left the Trump tariffs in place. US is acting in self interest, EU sometimes has problems with that. We are also good at acting in self interest, but sometimes we are very naive about others doing it.
- chitowneats 5y agoThat's right. Cannot. The U.S. restrictions are ridiculous and just another sign of sclerosis in the prevailing regime.
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- akomtu 5y agoHere you're giving the undeserved benefit of the doubt to politicians.
- chitowneats 5y agoGiven what we know about western governments your trust in the official narrative is just as baseless.
- draw_down 5y agoFrom the outside, your comment reads like the emotional one.
- Cd00d 5y agoThat's only an assertion that you haven't credibly supported, as far as I can tell. Which is the same as not very helpful.
- invalidusernam3 5y agoJust because you "feel" like that's the case, it doesn't make it true.
- autokad 5y agoand just because you disagree with them, doesnt mean you are right as well. Sure, you can say "I disagree with you". you can even do one better "I disagree with you, and here is evidence to back my claim...". However, you didnt do that, you just attacked them.
- Daishiman 5y agoClaims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
- autokad 5y agoyou can disagree without attacking the person.
- invalidusernam3 5y agoI disagree with you, and here is evidence to back my claim (the first line of the article): The Council of the European Union voted on Monday to recommend reinstating a ban on non-essential travel from the United States due to its high rate of COVID-19 infections.
- samtheprogram 5y agoSecond paragraph in the linked article: The decision, which is non-binding and will ultimately be up to individual member states to implement, comes after weeks of EU officials criticizing the Biden administration for not lifting U.S. restrictions on travel from Europe.
- lostmsu 5y agoAnd 1 week after I ate sushi in that place near me. What a coincidence!
- csomar 5y agoIf you are going to quote the article > Why it matters: The decision, which is non-binding and will ultimately be up to individual member states to implement, comes after weeks of EU officials criticizing the Biden administration for not lifting U.S. restrictions on travel from Europe.
- neither_color 5y agoEveryone on the flight to a country that requires testing and vaccination will have to show tests and vaccine records to even board the plane. Some countries even require a second test on arrival, with such measures in place it shouldnt matter what percentage of the population is vaxxed. Full country bans are nothing but politicking and tit for tat pettiness between countries. We shouldve lifted restrictions on Europeans long ago, our list of restricted and allowed countries has no correlation to the actual safety of the countries. We allow fully unrestricted travel with tests from other countries that went through waves when Europe was low, like Mexico and Colombia. I've viewed countrywide bands as stupid since the beginning, the majority of Americans do not have passports, those who travel abroad are middle class and up or those with family origins abroad and are law-abiding people used to complying with travel requirements.
- autokad 5y agoI think a travel ban in the beginning would have made sense, but only on the condition that it was for stocking up on resources (masks, beds, etc.) so that the load could be handled when opened up. and of course it would have a non extendable timeline to reach those goals. But at this point, any ban is egregious.
- 8note 5y agoThe Americans travelling through Canada to "go to Alaska" certainly weren't acting in good faith
- chitowneats 5y agoIn politics and foreign affairs the official narrative is often not the underlying motivation.
- pc86 5y agoAnd literally the very next sentence: > The decision...comes after weeks of EU officials criticizing the Biden administration for not lifting U.S. restrictions on travel from Europe.