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This, in reality, has little to with the increase of Delta cases in the US. It's more about the lack of reciprocity from the US after the EU opened up for trav
by kristofferR 5y ago
This, in reality, has little to with the increase of Delta cases in the US.
It's more about the lack of reciprocity from the US after the EU opened up for travel from the US. The rise of Delta cases in the US is just a convenient excuse to fix the inbalance.
- whatshisface 5y agoI don't get why the US would not reciprocate because US coronavirus levels are so high travelers from the EU would serve more to dilute it than add to it if anything.
- duxup 5y ago> travelers from the EU would serve more to dilute it I'm not sure there are enough to show up in numbers are there?
- whatshisface 5y agoThe numbers wouldn't show up, but strictly speaking that would happen.
- kristofferR 5y agoYeah, and the list of banned countries is totally stupid too. The list is short and doesn't ban countries with way more infections than the listed ones. People can travel from all over Africa for example, but not Europe. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/from-other-countries.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/from-oth...
- input_sh 5y agoYeah it bans only Shengen area of Europe, excluding some EU countries (Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria), the rest of the Balkans, and non-EU Eastern European countries (like Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova). It makes zero sense and it's not nearly as flexible as the EU, which adds and removes countries from the ban list frequently.
- tiondo 5y agoAre you suggesting that African countries have more infections than the banned European countries? Any data to support that?
- rsynnott 5y agoDepends on where in the EU and where in the US. A number of European countries would have rates higher than New York, say, but not Florida.
- whatshisface 5y agoThat is a good point, the EU has a lower average but a truly fair policy would have a matrix of state-country combinations.
- rsynnott 5y agoIt's less about fairness or even effectiveness, and more about the art of the possible, to be honest. Restricting travel from France to Germany or Florida to New York would probably be _far_ more effective in controlling covid (though, even then, not all that effective; once covid is present it mostly spreads internally in practice) than US<->EU restrictions, but it's obviously far less politically feasible. I feel like there's a large element of theatrics around covid travel restrictions (except for zero-covid-strategy countries, but those are rare); it's something that's relatively easy to do, so, even though it probably isn't particularly useful in most cases, it gets done. Ireland's mandatory hotel quarantine is a nice example; it currently largely applies to countries which people rarely travel to Ireland from anyway (Brazil being the main exception). It does _not_ apply, and never has applied to, say, the UK; despite the UK having very high rates right now, travel between the UK and Ireland is far too common for it to be feasible. But at the time it was introduced, the vaccine programme was slow due to supply issues, and the government wanted to be seen to be doing _something_, so...
- baggy_trough 5y agoThis is the government we're talking about - check your sense of logic at the door.
- sampo 5y ago> US coronavirus levels are so high travelers from the EU would serve more to dilute it than add to it The incidence rate among those who travel is not necessarily same as that of the whole population.
- latch 5y agoFirst paragraph in the linked article: The Council of the European Union voted on Monday to recommend reinstating a ban on non-essential travel from the United States due to its high rate of COVID-19 infections.
- josephcsible 5y agoThat's the convenient excuse, not the real reason.
- ed_elliott_asc 5y agoDo you know something else? Have you more details?
- josephcsible 5y agoMy point was that if someone says the stated reason and real reason for something are different, citing the stated reason is not a valid rebuttal to that claim.
- eesmith 5y agoI read josephcsible 's comment as asking for support for the claim that the read reason is not the stated one.
- technothrasher 5y agoThe response was not a rebuttal, it was a request for evidence for the claim.
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- kurofune 5y agoPlease, stop being emotional about policies and try to offer data if you are so sure about it being a "convenient excuse", don't engage in baseless speculation.
- secondcoming 5y agoOdd, considering the southern US border seems to essentially be open to anyone
- eloff 5y agoThey did the same for Canadians even. Our border is open to vaccinated Americans. They've chosen to keep theirs closed, even although we're at much higher risk from them then they are from us. Political stuff I guess. In lieu of doing something useful, they need to look like at least they're doing something. I'm not salty about it though, it's good for our economy.
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- outside1234 5y agoAlso tourist season is over, so don't need Americans anymore :).
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- kilroy123 5y agoI don't know, I still am seeing a lot around. Really, it sends after next weekend.
- bingohbangoh 5y agoYes this is it. EU citizens have been banned from traveling to the United States for ~18mo now.