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>our profession does not have an accepted universal bar everyone can jump over to be considered ‘qualified’. They even do this crap to people with CS degrees.

>our profession does not have an accepted universal bar everyone can jump over to be considered ‘qualified’. They even do this crap to people with CS degrees. If a 4 year CS degree isn't enough, then people who do this have no idea what they are doing. I started in this field in 1997. The interviews were more old fashioned, a few tech questions, see if you were an oddball, then they'd get back to you. If you didn't work out, they would just fire you. Pretty simple.

cratermoon 5y ago
> If a 4 year CS degree isn't enough If it's not enough for an employer, it's because that employer devalues what's taught in most CS programs. Granted, there's a significant mismatch between CS degree work and real world work, but that's true in lots of engineering. Ask any engineer in whatever subfield how much time they spend solving differential equations. I mean, great that I learned how to balance a binary tree and write a heapsort in my DS&A class, but have I ever needed to do that at work? Other than to pass some stupid coding interview?
908B64B197 5y ago
> They even do this crap to people with CS degrees. If a 4 year CS degree isn't enough, then people who do this have no idea what they are doing. Not all CS degrees are created equal I'm afraid.
unoti 5y ago
> If a 4 year CS degree isn't enough, then people who do this have no idea what they are doing. I’ve interviewed many people with 4 year CS degrees who can’t really code. I’m not sure how this happens, but it definitely does. I disagree that having a CS degree should excuse candidates from coding interviews.
skrtskrt 5y ago
A CS degree often doesn't have jack to do with being a professional software engineer
bavila 5y ago
My current company works predominantly with 2 major programming languages: Python and JavaScript. This is made very clear when advertising our open software engineering positions. Despite this fact, we once had a CS graduate (from a top-tier US university) who applied and was unable to write a for loop in either language. Yes, that's right: a for loop.

cratermoon 5y ago

> If a 4 year CS degree isn't enough If it's not enough for an employer, it's because that employer devalues what's taught in most CS programs. Granted, there's a significant mismatch between CS degree work and real world work, but that's true in lots of engineering. Ask any engineer in whatever subfield how much time they spend solving differential equations. I mean, great that I learned how to balance a binary tree and write a heapsort in my DS&A class, but have I ever needed to do that at work? Other than to pass some stupid coding interview?

908B64B197 5y ago

> They even do this crap to people with CS degrees. If a 4 year CS degree isn't enough, then people who do this have no idea what they are doing. Not all CS degrees are created equal I'm afraid.

unoti 5y ago

> If a 4 year CS degree isn't enough, then people who do this have no idea what they are doing. I’ve interviewed many people with 4 year CS degrees who can’t really code. I’m not sure how this happens, but it definitely does. I disagree that having a CS degree should excuse candidates from coding interviews.

skrtskrt 5y ago

A CS degree often doesn't have jack to do with being a professional software engineer

bavila 5y ago

My current company works predominantly with 2 major programming languages: Python and JavaScript. This is made very clear when advertising our open software engineering positions. Despite this fact, we once had a CS graduate (from a top-tier US university) who applied and was unable to write a for loop in either language. Yes, that's right: a for loop.