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Would you say the same of an obese person in need of care, or a smoker? What about those who have side effects from a vaccine that need treatment? They chose t

Would you say the same of an obese person in need of care, or a smoker? What about those who have side effects from a vaccine that need treatment? They chose to take it, they knew there are risks. Perhaps you wouldn't even want to treat pregnant women who chose to put themselves in that position. Hard to tell where your "philosophy" will find a moral balance that is also consistent.

toiletaccount 5y ago
...and yet ICU beds are filled with the sub-retards who refused vaccines they'd (potentially) be payed to get. None of these other groups are rendering local hospitals useless.
- brigandish 5y ago
  You're begging the question by assuming the thing you're trying to prove. If a bed is taken up by anyone then it is unavailable to someone else. They only get given out because someone needs it (medically). They are not given out because you deemed certain reasons good reasons and other people cannot have them because you deemed them bad reasons. Those beds are serving a use that is decided by medical need, a reasonably objective standard. As I wrote, I didn't think you could make you statement balance consistency with morality but you've actually gone beyond that by seeming not to care about either.
  - toiletaccount 5y ago
    Gosh I don't know what to tell you other than they're assholes and I don't want to be disadvantaged or inconvenienced in the slightest for their sake. Let's not miss a perfect opportunity for evolution.
    - a0-prw 5y ago
      If it's evolution you are looking for, covid would have taken care of things for you: The old, fat and sick are overwhelmingly the ones who die.
orwin 5y ago
> Would you say the same of an obese person in need of care, or a smoker? Playing the devil's advocate here, but yes? Most people who are big on personal responsibility think that anyway. I'm more of a social determinist myself, so i agree with you anyway.
- brigandish 5y ago
  I'm glad we agree, Devil away! :) Actually, I am one of those personal responsibility types and would advocate for some kind of insurance based system that took into account lifestyle (I don't support either the UK system nor the crazy implementation in the US). I know that's usually painted as every man for themselves but I advocate for it because I think general health would increase as would availability of care. Regardless, whichever system we pick, my ideal or any of the current ones, denying people care based on this ill-considered and heavily politicised public "good" is an anathema to all of them. I don't think these people are biological nor social determinists, they seem more religious, like a puritanical temperance movement or something just as sinister.

toiletaccount 5y ago

...and yet ICU beds are filled with the sub-retards who refused vaccines they'd (potentially) be payed to get. None of these other groups are rendering local hospitals useless.

brigandish 5y ago
You're begging the question by assuming the thing you're trying to prove. If a bed is taken up by anyone then it is unavailable to someone else. They only get given out because someone needs it (medically). They are not given out because you deemed certain reasons good reasons and other people cannot have them because you deemed them bad reasons. Those beds are serving a use that is decided by medical need, a reasonably objective standard. As I wrote, I didn't think you could make you statement balance consistency with morality but you've actually gone beyond that by seeming not to care about either.
- toiletaccount 5y ago
  Gosh I don't know what to tell you other than they're assholes and I don't want to be disadvantaged or inconvenienced in the slightest for their sake. Let's not miss a perfect opportunity for evolution.
  - a0-prw 5y ago
    If it's evolution you are looking for, covid would have taken care of things for you: The old, fat and sick are overwhelmingly the ones who die.

orwin 5y ago

> Would you say the same of an obese person in need of care, or a smoker? Playing the devil's advocate here, but yes? Most people who are big on personal responsibility think that anyway. I'm more of a social determinist myself, so i agree with you anyway.

brigandish 5y ago
I'm glad we agree, Devil away! :) Actually, I am one of those personal responsibility types and would advocate for some kind of insurance based system that took into account lifestyle (I don't support either the UK system nor the crazy implementation in the US). I know that's usually painted as every man for themselves but I advocate for it because I think general health would increase as would availability of care. Regardless, whichever system we pick, my ideal or any of the current ones, denying people care based on this ill-considered and heavily politicised public "good" is an anathema to all of them. I don't think these people are biological nor social determinists, they seem more religious, like a puritanical temperance movement or something just as sinister.