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Ivermectin: * Must show pic of you and your horse *

14 points by bb88 5y ago

King-Aaron 5y ago
> Do people who own horses typically walk around with a photo of themselves and their horse? lol, clearly hasn't met a horse owner
ellihalabian 5y ago
Not sure why Ivermectin is even involved in COVID-19. It is used for parasites!
- sp332 5y ago
  It showed promise in a petri dish.
  - bb88 5y ago
    The studies done were small and of low quality. Further the Elgazzar study which showed the most positive outlook was retracted for fraud and plagiarism.
    - sp332 5y ago
      Yeah my claim was too strong to defend here so I removed it. I agree with your overall assessment.
  - King-Aaron 5y ago
    Lots of things can kill a microbe in a petri dish -https://xkcd.com/1217/ https://xkcd.com/1217/
  - nradov 5y ago
    Yes ivermectin has been shown to inhibit SARS-CoV-2 replication in vitro. We just don't have conclusive evidence yet on whether or not it's an effective clinical treatment. More research is needed. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016635422...
- bb88 5y ago
  Oh... people were hawking it on this site. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27562412 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27562412 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27843908 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27843908 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27778458 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27778458 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27497080 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27497080
  - criticaltinker 5y ago
    Ivermectin used in a single-drug treatment regime has not shown significant benefits in a number of RCTs. However there is promising evidence of significant benefits when Ivermectin is used as part of a multi-drug treatment regime [1]. Since the beginning of the pandemic many front-line doctors have been combining multi-drug treatment regimes with early (in the symptomatic phase) treatment to successfully reduce hospitalization and death [2][3][4][5][6]. [1] Ivermectin in combination with doxycycline for treating COVID-19 symptoms: a randomized trial https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33983065/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33983065/ [2] Multifaceted highly targeted sequential multidrug treatment of early ambulatory high-risk SARS-CoV-2 infection (COVID-19) https://scholarlycommons.henryford.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1139&context=infectiousdiseases_articles https://scholarlycommons.henryford.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a... [3] Timing of Antiviral Treatment Initiation is Critical to Reduce SARS-CoV-2 Viral Load https://ascpt.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/psp4.12543 https://ascpt.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/psp4.1... [4] Clinical outcomes after early ambulatory multidrug therapy for high-risk SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) infection https://rcm.imrpress.com/EN/article/downloadArticleFile.do?attachType=PDF&id=5074 https://rcm.imrpress.com/EN/article/downloadArticleFile.do?a... [5] Early multidrug treatment of SARS-CoV-2 infection (COVID-19) and reduced mortality among nursing home (or outpatient/ambulatory) residents https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306987721001419 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03069... [6] Multidrug treatment for COVID-19 https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/ddt/advpub/0/advpub_2021.01005/_pdf https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/ddt/advpub/0/advpub_202...
    - amanaplanacanal 5y ago
      Just take the vaccine already.
- nradov 5y ago
  Ivermectin is a small molecule drug which binds to chloride channels. We don't have definitive evidence one way or another whether it's an effective COVID-19 treatment. It's certainly not a miracle cure, but some studies have shown statistically significant results. Research continues. https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/989 https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/989

14 points by bb88 5y ago

> Do people who own horses typically walk around with a photo of themselves and their horse? lol, clearly hasn't met a horse owner

ellihalabian 5y ago

Not sure why Ivermectin is even involved in COVID-19. It is used for parasites!

sp332 5y ago
It showed promise in a petri dish.
- bb88 5y ago
  The studies done were small and of low quality. Further the Elgazzar study which showed the most positive outlook was retracted for fraud and plagiarism.
  - sp332 5y ago
    Yeah my claim was too strong to defend here so I removed it. I agree with your overall assessment.
- King-Aaron 5y ago
  Lots of things can kill a microbe in a petri dish -https://xkcd.com/1217/ https://xkcd.com/1217/
- nradov 5y ago
  Yes ivermectin has been shown to inhibit SARS-CoV-2 replication in vitro. We just don't have conclusive evidence yet on whether or not it's an effective clinical treatment. More research is needed. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016635422...
bb88 5y ago
Oh... people were hawking it on this site. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27562412 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27562412 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27843908 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27843908 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27778458 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27778458 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27497080 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27497080
- criticaltinker 5y ago
  Ivermectin used in a single-drug treatment regime has not shown significant benefits in a number of RCTs. However there is promising evidence of significant benefits when Ivermectin is used as part of a multi-drug treatment regime [1]. Since the beginning of the pandemic many front-line doctors have been combining multi-drug treatment regimes with early (in the symptomatic phase) treatment to successfully reduce hospitalization and death [2][3][4][5][6]. [1] Ivermectin in combination with doxycycline for treating COVID-19 symptoms: a randomized trial https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33983065/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33983065/ [2] Multifaceted highly targeted sequential multidrug treatment of early ambulatory high-risk SARS-CoV-2 infection (COVID-19) https://scholarlycommons.henryford.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1139&context=infectiousdiseases_articles https://scholarlycommons.henryford.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a... [3] Timing of Antiviral Treatment Initiation is Critical to Reduce SARS-CoV-2 Viral Load https://ascpt.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/psp4.12543 https://ascpt.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/psp4.1... [4] Clinical outcomes after early ambulatory multidrug therapy for high-risk SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) infection https://rcm.imrpress.com/EN/article/downloadArticleFile.do?attachType=PDF&id=5074 https://rcm.imrpress.com/EN/article/downloadArticleFile.do?a... [5] Early multidrug treatment of SARS-CoV-2 infection (COVID-19) and reduced mortality among nursing home (or outpatient/ambulatory) residents https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306987721001419 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03069... [6] Multidrug treatment for COVID-19 https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/ddt/advpub/0/advpub_2021.01005/_pdf https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/ddt/advpub/0/advpub_202...
  - amanaplanacanal 5y ago
    Just take the vaccine already.
nradov 5y ago
Ivermectin is a small molecule drug which binds to chloride channels. We don't have definitive evidence one way or another whether it's an effective COVID-19 treatment. It's certainly not a miracle cure, but some studies have shown statistically significant results. Research continues. https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/989 https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/989