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The Anti-vax people are nuts, so everything is kinda mixed up to serve their personal agendas and those that are "of like mind" to some extent. This dataset sp

The Anti-vax people are nuts, so everything is kinda mixed up to serve their personal agendas and those that are "of like mind" to some extent. This dataset speaks nothing to an existing concern. You want to look at studies like these: https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-cardiac-manifestations-in-adults#H589742952 https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-cardiac-manifesta... https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sees-probable-link-between-pfizer-vaccine-small-number-myocarditis-cases-2021-06-01/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sees-probab... COVID vaccines have triggered carditis or (possibly underlying) heart failure in people under 30 which has been expanded to all adults. I am in stage 2 heart failure (medication controlled perm afib, have to sleep on my right side or everything goes numb AND I probably have to get cardioverted, etc). I have not had a vaccine and my cardiologists have suggested I don't yet. I've had 3 open heart surgeries and my heart won't suffer another surgical insult, so although I'm super cautious, I always do what my cardiologists tell me. The rest of my family (brother, dad, sister, etc) have been vaccinated.

542458 5y ago
(Not disagreeing with your comment, just highlighting something) It’s worth nothing that the Israeli study linked identified 275 cases of myocarditis, all but ~14 of which were mild, out of five million doses - a far cry from the mass death and destruction due to the vaccine that the vaccine skeptics are describing.
- stefan_ 5y ago
  A Covid infection of course also triggers myocarditis, and a much more severe version of it.
  - Supermancho 5y ago
    I believe it's arrhythmias that you've heard of. The incidence of carditis are, so far, incidental rather than attributed to COVID. It's theorized that carditis develops from overactive immune response, but that's not confirmed. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/ Arrhythmias are not uncommon under metabolically stressed individuals.
    - stefan_ 5y ago
      No, as you would expect with a virus, COVID can and does cause myocarditis, at a rate much higher than any vaccine, again, as you would expect from an active vs at most inactivated virus.
      - Supermancho 5y ago
        > No, as you would expect with a virus, COVID can and does cause myocarditis I'm not sure what you mean by "No". Ofc it can cause myocarditus, as all manner of things trigger inflammation in marginal cases. > at a rate much higher than any vaccine Can you point to any data as justification for that conclusion?
- Supermancho 5y ago
  As I understand it, this is correct.

542458 5y ago

(Not disagreeing with your comment, just highlighting something) It’s worth nothing that the Israeli study linked identified 275 cases of myocarditis, all but ~14 of which were mild, out of five million doses - a far cry from the mass death and destruction due to the vaccine that the vaccine skeptics are describing.

stefan_ 5y ago
A Covid infection of course also triggers myocarditis, and a much more severe version of it.
- Supermancho 5y ago
  I believe it's arrhythmias that you've heard of. The incidence of carditis are, so far, incidental rather than attributed to COVID. It's theorized that carditis develops from overactive immune response, but that's not confirmed. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/ Arrhythmias are not uncommon under metabolically stressed individuals.
  - stefan_ 5y ago
    No, as you would expect with a virus, COVID can and does cause myocarditis, at a rate much higher than any vaccine, again, as you would expect from an active vs at most inactivated virus.
    - Supermancho 5y ago
      > No, as you would expect with a virus, COVID can and does cause myocarditis I'm not sure what you mean by "No". Ofc it can cause myocarditus, as all manner of things trigger inflammation in marginal cases. > at a rate much higher than any vaccine Can you point to any data as justification for that conclusion?
Supermancho 5y ago
As I understand it, this is correct.