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FDA set to grant approval to Pfizer vaccine without public discussion of data

27 points by pmcpinto 5y ago

LurkingPenguin 5y ago
Warren Buffett famously stated, "Only when the tide goes out do you discover who's been swimming naked." It's interesting how the pandemic has helped expose the corruption, incompetence and institutional rot in American institutions that have historically been considered among the best, if not the best, in the world. In addition to the FDA, just look at the CDC, which proved to be far less capable than widely believed, starting with its botched test kits and failure to test the first quarantined evacuees from Wuhan. https://www.npr.org/2020/11/06/929078678/cdc-report-officials-knew-coronavirus-test-was-flawed-but-released-it-anyway https://www.npr.org/2020/11/06/929078678/cdc-report-official... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-cdc-response-speci/special-report-how-u-s-cdc-missed-chances-to-spot-covids-silent-spread-idUSKBN29R1E7 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-cdc-re... https://archive.is/Y9cuC https://archive.is/Y9cuC
joelbondurant 5y ago
Praise be to the Science Ministry, in the name of authority we pray for the facts.
stevespang 5y ago
Just follow the money . . . Same reason that Ivermectin at less than $1 per dose is being poo-pooed by the FDA and Big Pharma.
cyanydeez 5y ago
formal is the opperative word here. this things been discussed since it was given emergency use.
Proven 5y ago
I read the FDA document which they approved the other one - it's a joke! It uses outdated claims which no longer apply, there's no analysis of any kind, etc. But, to be fair, barely anyone cares about that. The objective is to have these approvals formalized so that the woke can constitutionally mandate vaccination and punish those who don't comply.
londgine 5y ago
did they not already approve it last week? https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-appr...
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  This article is from 8/20, it was given full approval 8/23.
xyzzy21 5y ago
It's NOT a real approval: 1. It's a redundant renewal of the existing Pfizer under the exact same EUA - thus STILL NOT finished clinical efficacy and safety trials 2. It "pre-approves" a new future Pfizer vaccine that has not yet even been created nor passed even the first stage FDA efficacy and safety trials So it's literally a bait-and-switch lie to try to get people to take the Pfizer NOW that is still under EUA (and not fully tested).
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > It's a redundant renewal of the existing Pfizer under the exact same EUA No, its a full approval of the existing Pfizer vaccine for those 16+. The EUA remains in place for younger people 12+. > It "pre-approves" a new future Pfizer vaccine It doesn't, I guess this is a misreading of the fact that the approval of the existing Pfizer vaccine includes, as such approvals do, the marketing name of the vaccine (“Comirnaty”), but this isn't a new vaccine, just the brand name for marketing the existing one.

27 points by pmcpinto 5y ago

Warren Buffett famously stated, "Only when the tide goes out do you discover who's been swimming naked." It's interesting how the pandemic has helped expose the corruption, incompetence and institutional rot in American institutions that have historically been considered among the best, if not the best, in the world. In addition to the FDA, just look at the CDC, which proved to be far less capable than widely believed, starting with its botched test kits and failure to test the first quarantined evacuees from Wuhan. https://www.npr.org/2020/11/06/929078678/cdc-report-officials-knew-coronavirus-test-was-flawed-but-released-it-anyway https://www.npr.org/2020/11/06/929078678/cdc-report-official... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-cdc-response-speci/special-report-how-u-s-cdc-missed-chances-to-spot-covids-silent-spread-idUSKBN29R1E7 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-cdc-re... https://archive.is/Y9cuC https://archive.is/Y9cuC

joelbondurant 5y ago

Praise be to the Science Ministry, in the name of authority we pray for the facts.

stevespang 5y ago

Just follow the money . . . Same reason that Ivermectin at less than $1 per dose is being poo-pooed by the FDA and Big Pharma.

cyanydeez 5y ago

formal is the opperative word here. this things been discussed since it was given emergency use.

Proven 5y ago

I read the FDA document which they approved the other one - it's a joke! It uses outdated claims which no longer apply, there's no analysis of any kind, etc. But, to be fair, barely anyone cares about that. The objective is to have these approvals formalized so that the woke can constitutionally mandate vaccination and punish those who don't comply.

londgine 5y ago

did they not already approve it last week? https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-appr...

dragonwriter 5y ago
This article is from 8/20, it was given full approval 8/23.

xyzzy21 5y ago

It's NOT a real approval: 1. It's a redundant renewal of the existing Pfizer under the exact same EUA - thus STILL NOT finished clinical efficacy and safety trials 2. It "pre-approves" a new future Pfizer vaccine that has not yet even been created nor passed even the first stage FDA efficacy and safety trials So it's literally a bait-and-switch lie to try to get people to take the Pfizer NOW that is still under EUA (and not fully tested).

dragonwriter 5y ago
> It's a redundant renewal of the existing Pfizer under the exact same EUA No, its a full approval of the existing Pfizer vaccine for those 16+. The EUA remains in place for younger people 12+. > It "pre-approves" a new future Pfizer vaccine It doesn't, I guess this is a misreading of the fact that the approval of the existing Pfizer vaccine includes, as such approvals do, the marketing name of the vaccine (“Comirnaty”), but this isn't a new vaccine, just the brand name for marketing the existing one.