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These feel like some of the most likely places to get nuked if an old system accidentally goes off.

by cma 5y ago

alangibson 5y ago
I wonder if there are equivalents of missilebaseforsale.com for the former Soviet Union
- dogma1138 5y ago
  Im sure there is the difference is that they probably sell the missiles too…
  - bequanna 5y ago
    Possibly, but you’re likely buying it “as-is”. I believe Elon tried to purchase a rocket from Russia many years ago and even travelled there to meet with people who claimed to be able to broker a sale.
- bserge 5y ago
  You got me wondering and I could not find anything with a quick Google search. Apparently personal bunkers weren't popular even during the Cold War. https://vc.ru/story/139377-mesto-gde-mozhno-spryatatsya-skolko-stoyat-bunkery-i-zashchitnye-komnaty-v-rossii-i-kto-ih-stroit https://vc.ru/story/139377-mesto-gde-mozhno-spryatatsya-skol... It may be that people just didn't have the money for this kind of stuff and oligarchs would rather build castles that no one knows about than buy old bunkers (which would be in way worse shape in ex USSR I imagine).
  - lumost 5y ago
    Bunkers aren’t that great for long term survival. You’re effectively betting that you can survive in a small isolated prison for N years to emerge without resources or the ability to feed yourself. You are also betting that the underground structure isn’t going to need maintenance in those N years, and that you won’t simply be viewed as a resource cache by whoever is still on the surface. Now if we start talking about remote bunkers far away from cities - you start also asking the question of why you would need a bunker! If you build an off grid house in Whistler BC you are highly unlikely to be targeted by a nuke, or be in the fallout zone of any nukes. Rural east coast and southeastern US are also great options. You can even set up a plan for a permanent farming installation in the event of a disaster.
    - ramesh31 5y ago
      >If you build an off grid house in Whistler BC you are highly unlikely to be targeted by a nuke, or be in the fallout zone of any nukes. Rural east coast and southeastern US are also great options. You can even set up a plan for a permanent farming installation in the event of a disaster. You'll still just be a resource cache for whatever roaming bands of anarchic clans that develop amidst the fallout. And subsistence farming is a complete fantasy; you'll starve very quickly. The only survival scenario that is realistic in an apocalyptic world is one built around trade, alliances, and firepower. Feudalism, essentially. Anyone who thinks they'll be able to go their own way and remain hidden will be the first ones killed off.
      - TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
        Something something New Zealand. Which sounds good until you need a dentist or doctor and you discover you forgot to bring a surgery and/or hospital. Or a vet. Or spare parts. Or tools/medications you don't already have. Or any essential consumable that has a shelf life of (if you're lucky...) less than fifty years.
        TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
        This family did it for 40 years. Not a bad run: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/for-40-years-this-russian-family-was-cut-off-from-all-human-contact-unaware-of-world-war-ii-7354256/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/for-40-years-this-rus...
    - drran 5y ago
      Long term survival requires short term survival first. Bunkers are great for short term survival.
      - lumost 5y ago
        If surviving a nuclear Holocaust is in your priority list, then it’s much cheaper and more effective to move somewhere far away from the blasts and fallout. E.g. live far away from miltary installations, keep a reasonable distance from metros, and avoid any place between the Appalachian mountains and the Sierra Nevada mountains (due to fallout).
  - katmannthree 5y ago
    I think they had plenty of government bunkers, even if there weren't many personal ones. There are some pretty interesting videos of urban explorers going through them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKWFx0QAW2w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKWFx0QAW2w
meowster 5y ago
Maybe someone adventurous could reach out to the Russian government and request that the site be taken off any lists that may or may not exist, and invite them to their housewarming party? Though Russia seems like a country that would say "sure" then add it to the list if it wasn't already just as a joke. Though China might just nuke the site just to be sure.
- IIAOPSW 5y ago
  China isn't going to waste 1 of their 400 shots and abandon the no-first-use doctrine over something so minuscule. Look it up. The US/Soviet missile pissing contest completely dwarfs every other nation, even after various disarmament treaties. Russia still has the most.
  - snet0 5y ago
    You're saying that China won't launch a nuclear first strike against an unused silo based on a joking email? Interesting commentary.
post_break 5y ago
Maybe, but I feel like there has to be a whole team dedicated to looking where to bomb as to not waste them on targets that are no longer operational.
mclightning 5y ago
That's what I thought first too. Rather, it doesn't have to be an old system but it can be spotted as an active missile launcher site by visual survillance.

These feel like some of the most likely places to get nuked if an old system accidentally goes off.

by cma 5y ago

These feel like some of the most likely places to get nuked if an old system accidentally goes off.

alangibson 5y ago

I wonder if there are equivalents of missilebaseforsale.com for the former Soviet Union

dogma1138 5y ago
Im sure there is the difference is that they probably sell the missiles too…
- bequanna 5y ago
  Possibly, but you’re likely buying it “as-is”. I believe Elon tried to purchase a rocket from Russia many years ago and even travelled there to meet with people who claimed to be able to broker a sale.
bserge 5y ago
You got me wondering and I could not find anything with a quick Google search. Apparently personal bunkers weren't popular even during the Cold War. https://vc.ru/story/139377-mesto-gde-mozhno-spryatatsya-skolko-stoyat-bunkery-i-zashchitnye-komnaty-v-rossii-i-kto-ih-stroit https://vc.ru/story/139377-mesto-gde-mozhno-spryatatsya-skol... It may be that people just didn't have the money for this kind of stuff and oligarchs would rather build castles that no one knows about than buy old bunkers (which would be in way worse shape in ex USSR I imagine).
- lumost 5y ago
  Bunkers aren’t that great for long term survival. You’re effectively betting that you can survive in a small isolated prison for N years to emerge without resources or the ability to feed yourself. You are also betting that the underground structure isn’t going to need maintenance in those N years, and that you won’t simply be viewed as a resource cache by whoever is still on the surface. Now if we start talking about remote bunkers far away from cities - you start also asking the question of why you would need a bunker! If you build an off grid house in Whistler BC you are highly unlikely to be targeted by a nuke, or be in the fallout zone of any nukes. Rural east coast and southeastern US are also great options. You can even set up a plan for a permanent farming installation in the event of a disaster.
  - ramesh31 5y ago
    >If you build an off grid house in Whistler BC you are highly unlikely to be targeted by a nuke, or be in the fallout zone of any nukes. Rural east coast and southeastern US are also great options. You can even set up a plan for a permanent farming installation in the event of a disaster. You'll still just be a resource cache for whatever roaming bands of anarchic clans that develop amidst the fallout. And subsistence farming is a complete fantasy; you'll starve very quickly. The only survival scenario that is realistic in an apocalyptic world is one built around trade, alliances, and firepower. Feudalism, essentially. Anyone who thinks they'll be able to go their own way and remain hidden will be the first ones killed off.
    - TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
      Something something New Zealand. Which sounds good until you need a dentist or doctor and you discover you forgot to bring a surgery and/or hospital. Or a vet. Or spare parts. Or tools/medications you don't already have. Or any essential consumable that has a shelf life of (if you're lucky...) less than fifty years.
      - TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
        This family did it for 40 years. Not a bad run: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/for-40-years-this-russian-family-was-cut-off-from-all-human-contact-unaware-of-world-war-ii-7354256/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/for-40-years-this-rus...
  - drran 5y ago
    Long term survival requires short term survival first. Bunkers are great for short term survival.
    - lumost 5y ago
      If surviving a nuclear Holocaust is in your priority list, then it’s much cheaper and more effective to move somewhere far away from the blasts and fallout. E.g. live far away from miltary installations, keep a reasonable distance from metros, and avoid any place between the Appalachian mountains and the Sierra Nevada mountains (due to fallout).
- katmannthree 5y ago
  I think they had plenty of government bunkers, even if there weren't many personal ones. There are some pretty interesting videos of urban explorers going through them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKWFx0QAW2w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKWFx0QAW2w

meowster 5y ago

Maybe someone adventurous could reach out to the Russian government and request that the site be taken off any lists that may or may not exist, and invite them to their housewarming party? Though Russia seems like a country that would say "sure" then add it to the list if it wasn't already just as a joke. Though China might just nuke the site just to be sure.

IIAOPSW 5y ago
China isn't going to waste 1 of their 400 shots and abandon the no-first-use doctrine over something so minuscule. Look it up. The US/Soviet missile pissing contest completely dwarfs every other nation, even after various disarmament treaties. Russia still has the most.
- snet0 5y ago
  You're saying that China won't launch a nuclear first strike against an unused silo based on a joking email? Interesting commentary.

post_break 5y ago

Maybe, but I feel like there has to be a whole team dedicated to looking where to bomb as to not waste them on targets that are no longer operational.

mclightning 5y ago

That's what I thought first too. Rather, it doesn't have to be an old system but it can be spotted as an active missile launcher site by visual survillance.