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Police Shared Intelligence on Protesters with Pipeline Company
- koheripbal 5y agoGiven the amount of vandalism at the pipeline protests, I think that makes sense. If protesters with a history of property destruction were scheduled to come through my neighborhood, I hope the police would warn me too.
- a3n 5y agoIf corporations with a history of property theft, and property, human and ecologic destruction came through my neighborhood, I hope my neighbors would join me in protest too.
- koheripbal 5y agoProtesting is one thing. Destroying other people's stuff is when the police should get involved.
- klyrs 5y agoIf you leave your stuff on my land, why shouldn't I destroy it?
- koheripbal 5y agoThe pipeline was never on Native land. This is a popular lie propagated in social media. The pipeline was specifically routed AROUND native land, and was indeed even placed exactly on top of an existing 40 year old pipeline.
- wyre 5y agoIt all Native land, perhaps not legally, but at one point it was until it was appropriated by white men.
- vkou 5y agoWhen a protest destroys stuff, the police inflict violence on the protesters. When a pipeline spill destroys people's stuff, do the police then inflict a proportionate amount of violence on the pipeline's owners? If a broken window's worth a tazing, an arrest, two nights in jail, a single court date, and a short or suspended sentence, how many thousands of years of prison should, say, the Exxon-Valdez spill have been worth?
- koheripbal 5y agoPipelines are the most secure method of liquid transport. Leaks are extremely uncommon and far less common than the alternative - trucks. Also, there are plenty of fines and enforcement actions on spills. Police would inflict violence on corporations if corporations break the law. ...which is why they don't. Protesters should try that simple trick.
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- mellavora 5y agoWhat about if a corporation with a history of property destruction were scheduled to come through your neighborhood? Like, say, a pipeline company? Wouldn't you want the authorities to protect you against that danger?
- drewcoo 5y agoThey primarily protect property. But a pipeline through a neighborhood would mean my land would be seized by eminent domain. So the authorities would protect the pipeline company, who had property in the dispute. The authorities show up to help pipeline companies break treaties. Some now ex-property owner like myself wouldn't even be a speed bump.
- google234123 5y agoThe rules governing Eminent domain is in our constitution. Part of living in a democracy means you have to a accept the rule of law and democratically elected governments. If you want to change this then change the law. If any land is seized the owners will be compensated.
- koheripbal 5y agoIt's crazy that this was downvoted. Eminent domain being used against you is like winning the lottery for most.
- sixothree 5y agoWasn't this the protestors neighborhood?
- kingkawn 5y agoWhat about if a pipeline company with a history of property destruction and abuse of residents comes through the neighborhood?
- ZoomerCretin 5y ago"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." -Benito Mussolini
- kook_throwaway 5y agoWhen everyone was arguing about communism and capitalism, fascism secretly co-opted both sides.
- viro 5y agoah yes, cops warning companies about protesters that effectively siege buildings by blocking roads in and out so workers can't safely leave and disrupt critical infrastructure is fascism. (◔_◔)
- scollet 5y ago> protesters that effectively siege buildings by blocking roads I would hope it's effective!
- viro 5y agolol, I might be mistaken ...are you pro protesters basically holding the workers of these companies captive against their will? because thats what this does...
- pope_meat 5y ago...what good is a protest that is easily ignored and doesn't affect the status quo?
- viro 5y agoso kidnap their workers and illegaly hold them captive so they can't go home after work. wat!... no wonder we(dems) always lose elections .... insane takes like this.
- Teever 5y agoThe correct response to these sorts of actions by law enforcement is for individuals to collaborate in a legal manner to collect intelligence on law enforcement and share it on the internet. If we must live in a world with surveillance than the burden of surveillance must be carried by all.
- shadowgovt 5y agoI'm trying to figure out what sort of intelligence would be collectable that isn't already. Do you mean officer movements in-field? That's often done by protesters (I remember seeing examples of it during both the BLM protests and the WTO protests; police movements tracked by monitoring police scanners and updated in realtime to chatrooms and Twitter). Do you mean who they are personally? As public servants, that's generally a matter of public record. Do you mean camera recording of specific encounters? That's become best practice. I think what you're describing is what we do now.
- thatguy0900 5y agoProbably more describing tracking them in their personal off duty lives,and sharing personal details like address, their car, etc.
- SpelingBeeChamp 5y agoThe likely consequence of which will be even more laws like Florida Statutes §119.071(4)(d)(2): "2.a The home addresses, telephone numbers, dates of birth, and photographs of active or former sworn law enforcement personnel or of active or former civilian personnel employed by a law enforcement agency, including correctional and correctional probation officers, personnel of the Department of Children and Families whose duties include the investigation of abuse, neglect, exploitation, fraud, theft, or other criminal activities, personnel of the Department of Health whose duties are to support the investigation of child abuse or neglect, and personnel of the Department of Revenue or local governments whose responsibilities include revenue collection and enforcement or child support enforcement; the names, home addresses, telephone numbers, photographs, dates of birth, and places of employment of the spouses and children of such personnel; and the names and locations of schools and day care facilities attended by the children of such personnel are exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution."
- poetaster 5y agoHmm. Cop mapping? https://pen.gg/campaign/cop-map/ https://pen.gg/campaign/cop-map/ (not sure if it still works...)
- natch 5y agoThere is a recurring theme here. - Police share information on protestors with pipeline company. - NSA, after lying under oath to say that it doesn’t, conducts mass surveillance of Americans, and then shortly after that bungles security of its own hacking tools, so they end up in the hands of, well, just about anyone. - Large trusted organizations from credit agencies to banks to phone companies leak millions of private records. - US government deliberately — yes, deliberately! — turns over personal identifying information about people associated with the US *TO THE TALIBAN* because, what… the Taliban are “the authorities” now and thus utterly and completely trusted with this information. And with this backdrop, the US government wants keys to unlock our encryption, and claims it will keep them secure and safe. What’s the worst that can happen… well I don’t know, it’s not like they would turn our information over to the Taliban, right? Oh, wait… Please remember what they did here next time they say the keys will be held in escrow only to be accessed by trusted authorities. Also: Apple, are you seeing this?
- johnohara 5y ago"In one case, the official passed along intelligence to Enbridge’s security chief for Line 3: a list of people who attended an anti-pipeline organizing meeting." Aside from clandestine attendance for the purposes of intelligence gathering, there were more than a few things that needed to be done to accurately identify and produce the list of people who attended.