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This raises an interesting question: is someone who is waiting for an effective intranasal vaccine to get something more like sterilizing immunity, and foregoin

This raises an interesting question: is someone who is waiting for an effective intranasal vaccine to get something more like sterilizing immunity, and foregoing the less-effective vaccine meanwhile, anti-vax?

Jabbles 5y ago
Yes. Refusing to get a vaccine now is harmful to yourself and others. The current vaccines are effective. A more effective intranasal vaccine may come, but you should protect yourself and others now.
walterbell 5y ago
If they are healthy and have survived Covid with natural immunity, that overall beats all vaccines. Antibody and T-cell tests tests are available to find out if they have already recovered from an an infection. If they have not been isolating much for the past 18 months, e.g. first responder or other essential worker, they were likely infected and already recovered. If they are not yet infected, are healthy and take precautions to isolate at the first sign of illness, they are a lower transmission risk than a vaccinated person who gets infected but whose symptoms are suppressed by the vaccine, so they don't know they should isolate. CDC recommends that vaccinated people exposed to SARS-CoV-2 should be tested after exposure, and then wear a mask if the test is positive, https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210729/cdc-reverses-guidance-testing-fully-vaccinated-people https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210729/cdc-reverses-guidan... & https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vac... > Even if they’re not showing symptoms, fully vaccinated people should “get tested 3-5 days after exposure to someone with suspected or confirmed COVID-19 and wear a mask in public indoor settings for 14 days after exposure or until they receive a negative test result,” the agency’s website says ... “Our updated guidance recommends vaccinated people get tested upon exposure regardless of symptoms,” CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, MD, told The New York Times in an email. “Testing is widely available.”
contravariant 5y ago
That only seems like an interesting question if you view anti-vax as some kind of ethical group. If you choose to define it more literally as the people that are against taking any particular vaccine in common use then it's vacuously true.
jyounker 5y ago
Yes. The odds of dying from covid: 1% The odds of dying from covid after current vaccine: <0.015%
- bobbytit 5y ago
  This is misleading. Your chance of dying this year is not the worlds population divided by deaths. It depends how old and/or weak you are. Do you have a source for your numbers?
superkuh 5y ago
It doesn't raise that question at all because both I and the references I linked say it should be used *as a booster after intramuscular vaccination*. You raised that scenario out of the blue and it has nothing to do with what anyone suggests.

Jabbles 5y ago

Yes. Refusing to get a vaccine now is harmful to yourself and others. The current vaccines are effective. A more effective intranasal vaccine may come, but you should protect yourself and others now.

walterbell 5y ago

If they are healthy and have survived Covid with natural immunity, that overall beats all vaccines. Antibody and T-cell tests tests are available to find out if they have already recovered from an an infection. If they have not been isolating much for the past 18 months, e.g. first responder or other essential worker, they were likely infected and already recovered. If they are not yet infected, are healthy and take precautions to isolate at the first sign of illness, they are a lower transmission risk than a vaccinated person who gets infected but whose symptoms are suppressed by the vaccine, so they don't know they should isolate. CDC recommends that vaccinated people exposed to SARS-CoV-2 should be tested after exposure, and then wear a mask if the test is positive, https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210729/cdc-reverses-guidance-testing-fully-vaccinated-people https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210729/cdc-reverses-guidan... & https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vac... > Even if they’re not showing symptoms, fully vaccinated people should “get tested 3-5 days after exposure to someone with suspected or confirmed COVID-19 and wear a mask in public indoor settings for 14 days after exposure or until they receive a negative test result,” the agency’s website says ... “Our updated guidance recommends vaccinated people get tested upon exposure regardless of symptoms,” CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, MD, told The New York Times in an email. “Testing is widely available.”

contravariant 5y ago

That only seems like an interesting question if you view anti-vax as some kind of ethical group. If you choose to define it more literally as the people that are against taking any particular vaccine in common use then it's vacuously true.

jyounker 5y ago

Yes. The odds of dying from covid: 1% The odds of dying from covid after current vaccine: <0.015%

bobbytit 5y ago
This is misleading. Your chance of dying this year is not the worlds population divided by deaths. It depends how old and/or weak you are. Do you have a source for your numbers?

superkuh 5y ago

It doesn't raise that question at all because both I and the references I linked say it should be used *as a booster after intramuscular vaccination*. You raised that scenario out of the blue and it has nothing to do with what anyone suggests.