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Out of curiosity, if you're onboard with previous typical vaccination, but hesitant to jump on board with mRNA treatments, what are you? Does that now fall und

by desine 5y ago

Out of curiosity, if you're onboard with previous typical vaccination, but hesitant to jump on board with mRNA treatments, what are you? Does that now fall under "anti-vax" in internet lingo? Is wise to group everyone under one umbrella term?

kadoban 5y ago
What's the point in differentiating? They at best deluded themselves with a slightly different brand of anti-vax propaganda. Do we need a separate term?
- desine 5y ago
  So there's no possible valid logic for not wanting an mRNA vaccine. It's all completely "delusion" stemming from propaganda? Anyone who does not have complete faith at this point is in the wrong? Am I understanding you correctly?
  - kadoban 5y ago
    There are no general reasons to avoid well tested mRNA vaccines, no. Specific medical conditions (eg allergies to components of the shot), being under the recommeded/tested ages, etc., sure. I unfortunately know several anti-vaxxers, I've seen what they pass around as "reasons". It's nonsense. And it just so happens that they all get their news from similar places. It's a total coincidence I'm sure.
    - desine 5y ago
      And I assume that you consider all the available variations as "well tested". Nice to hear that any personal concerns I have are not valid, and that you don't even need to read them to know that. Sad to see so many websites where discussions were once welcomed turned into echo chambers. Or perhaps I'm just one of those uneducated people who shouldn't even be on HN
      - kadoban 5y ago
        They went through the full multi-round set of testing that all vaccines go through in the US (even ignoring the overlap elsewhere), and have since been administered to hundreds of millions of people. I'd call that well tested, yes. What would be the point of me pretending it's up for debate? I'm not stopping you from sharing whatever concerns you have, not sure how you think I even would. I'm not likely to be interested in them if I'm being honest, I've seen far too many sites and stories already. But you do you.
munchbunny 5y ago
That depends on why they're hesitant about mRNA vaccines. The "anti-vax" label isn't just about not taking some subset of the standard vaccinations. There's a tribal element and a conspiracy/disinformation element.

by desine 5y ago

kadoban 5y ago

What's the point in differentiating? They at best deluded themselves with a slightly different brand of anti-vax propaganda. Do we need a separate term?

desine 5y ago
So there's no possible valid logic for not wanting an mRNA vaccine. It's all completely "delusion" stemming from propaganda? Anyone who does not have complete faith at this point is in the wrong? Am I understanding you correctly?
- kadoban 5y ago
  There are no general reasons to avoid well tested mRNA vaccines, no. Specific medical conditions (eg allergies to components of the shot), being under the recommeded/tested ages, etc., sure. I unfortunately know several anti-vaxxers, I've seen what they pass around as "reasons". It's nonsense. And it just so happens that they all get their news from similar places. It's a total coincidence I'm sure.
  - desine 5y ago
    And I assume that you consider all the available variations as "well tested". Nice to hear that any personal concerns I have are not valid, and that you don't even need to read them to know that. Sad to see so many websites where discussions were once welcomed turned into echo chambers. Or perhaps I'm just one of those uneducated people who shouldn't even be on HN
    - kadoban 5y ago
      They went through the full multi-round set of testing that all vaccines go through in the US (even ignoring the overlap elsewhere), and have since been administered to hundreds of millions of people. I'd call that well tested, yes. What would be the point of me pretending it's up for debate? I'm not stopping you from sharing whatever concerns you have, not sure how you think I even would. I'm not likely to be interested in them if I'm being honest, I've seen far too many sites and stories already. But you do you.

munchbunny 5y ago

That depends on why they're hesitant about mRNA vaccines. The "anti-vax" label isn't just about not taking some subset of the standard vaccinations. There's a tribal element and a conspiracy/disinformation element.