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Supporting and advocating for “Right to Repair” laws was never more crucial, because this is not going to stop at iPhone or mac.

motohagiography 5y ago
Just to extend my comment in response to how this problem will spread: By doing surveillance on types of images, Apple is in effect implementing anti-virus - for ideas. That's only a bit hyperbolic, as the perceptual hash for a viral meme can be searched on, just like the material they're using as a pretext for it. I could even see them announcing it at a launch. We should be concerned that the company has skipped its Black Mirror stage and jumped right into its Universal Paperclips endgame. (I'm also appreciating the irony that people like me being angry about Apple announcing they're going to implement a version of what Google has already been technically able to do for the last decade, and what Microsoft has probably been doing in secret since even before then.)
- bostik 5y ago
  > Apple is in effect implementing anti-virus - for ideas. Should we call that anti-dissent? Or thought police?
- pronlover723 5y ago
  Apple already disallows lots of ideas. You can't make these apps for iOS (NSFW!) https://sexgames.citor3.com/ https://sexgames.citor3.com/ And arguably, if you've tried apps like those in actual VR their impact doesn't come close in non VR. But, since Apple doesn't carry porn in the app store and doesn't allow other stores Apple is effectively banning thoughts.
  - amelius 5y ago
    Why do people accept being treated like children? iPhone=Disneyland, Linux=Real world
    - coldtea 5y ago
      >Why do people accept being treated like children? Because some cultures have a religious-inherited "sin-avoidance" problem, and e.g. try to ban alcohol, disney-fy public discussion, lose it if a tit is accidentally shown, and are "shocked" if somebody utters "fuck" in a late night show. (It doesn't help that many of the "adult" population behave like children and throw a fit if their morality as to the above is "challenged"). Now, put these cultures, for historical reasons, in charge of technology platforms... All of these, and more, turn into some state duty (in turn imposed on corporations) to handle moderation and control content in behalf of adult audiences (e.g FCC rules, Hayes code, Apple's ban of political, sex, etc apps, and so on). This leads to the child-ification of the adult population, where the "adults" in charge know better and protect the masses.
      - pure_simplicity 5y ago
        Let me translate your cynic-speak: ___ begin translation ___ some (presumably christian) cultures consider it important to promote a societal standard of morality that encourages self-control as the basis for sustainably safeguarding individual liberty while being (increasingly more) tolerant of aberrant ways of self-expression. As with every culture, its members defend their way of life and morals. Put these cultures in control of technology platforms and you will see that they will attempt to strike the right balance between personal freedoms and public responsibility and even failing at that sometimes under pressure from various interests (commercial, the self-interest of spy agencies who want to make their job easier, post-modernist denial of christian cultural norms of morality and personal freedom, far left activism that seeks to dox, cancel, and censor all opposition)*. ___ end translation ___ *I'm pointing out some of the overtly anti-christian or worldview agnostic interests at play to highlight the highly oversimplified anti-traditionalist/anti-conservative/anti-christian slant of the parent comment. Maybe just maybe we can have a nuanced conversation without all the finger pointing and scapegoating, and recognize that there's some legitimacy to each of these values that sometimes conflict with each other and figuring out the right balance is challenging.
    - brokenmachine 5y ago
      There's more factors here, of course. Linux phones are only for the most masochistic of techies. Average Joe who is uninformed about tech will just assume you get something for your money, and by that measure, iPhones must be the best. I chose Android which comes with it's own problems, but I prefer the way it works, and literally everything about Apple rubs me the wrong way.
  - WA 5y ago
    You can’t autocomplete "shit" via the iOS keyboard and several other swear or politically incorrect words.
- coldtea 5y ago
  >I could even see them announcing it at a launch. We should be concerned that the company has skipped its Black Mirror stage and jumped right into its Universal Paperclips endgame. Well, what Apple did is squarely Black Mirror stage, nowhere near Universal Paperclips.

motohagiography 5y ago

Just to extend my comment in response to how this problem will spread: By doing surveillance on types of images, Apple is in effect implementing anti-virus - for ideas. That's only a bit hyperbolic, as the perceptual hash for a viral meme can be searched on, just like the material they're using as a pretext for it. I could even see them announcing it at a launch. We should be concerned that the company has skipped its Black Mirror stage and jumped right into its Universal Paperclips endgame. (I'm also appreciating the irony that people like me being angry about Apple announcing they're going to implement a version of what Google has already been technically able to do for the last decade, and what Microsoft has probably been doing in secret since even before then.)

bostik 5y ago
> Apple is in effect implementing anti-virus - for ideas. Should we call that anti-dissent? Or thought police?
pronlover723 5y ago
Apple already disallows lots of ideas. You can't make these apps for iOS (NSFW!) https://sexgames.citor3.com/ https://sexgames.citor3.com/ And arguably, if you've tried apps like those in actual VR their impact doesn't come close in non VR. But, since Apple doesn't carry porn in the app store and doesn't allow other stores Apple is effectively banning thoughts.
- amelius 5y ago
  Why do people accept being treated like children? iPhone=Disneyland, Linux=Real world
  - coldtea 5y ago
    >Why do people accept being treated like children? Because some cultures have a religious-inherited "sin-avoidance" problem, and e.g. try to ban alcohol, disney-fy public discussion, lose it if a tit is accidentally shown, and are "shocked" if somebody utters "fuck" in a late night show. (It doesn't help that many of the "adult" population behave like children and throw a fit if their morality as to the above is "challenged"). Now, put these cultures, for historical reasons, in charge of technology platforms... All of these, and more, turn into some state duty (in turn imposed on corporations) to handle moderation and control content in behalf of adult audiences (e.g FCC rules, Hayes code, Apple's ban of political, sex, etc apps, and so on). This leads to the child-ification of the adult population, where the "adults" in charge know better and protect the masses.
    - pure_simplicity 5y ago
      Let me translate your cynic-speak: ___ begin translation ___ some (presumably christian) cultures consider it important to promote a societal standard of morality that encourages self-control as the basis for sustainably safeguarding individual liberty while being (increasingly more) tolerant of aberrant ways of self-expression. As with every culture, its members defend their way of life and morals. Put these cultures in control of technology platforms and you will see that they will attempt to strike the right balance between personal freedoms and public responsibility and even failing at that sometimes under pressure from various interests (commercial, the self-interest of spy agencies who want to make their job easier, post-modernist denial of christian cultural norms of morality and personal freedom, far left activism that seeks to dox, cancel, and censor all opposition)*. ___ end translation ___ *I'm pointing out some of the overtly anti-christian or worldview agnostic interests at play to highlight the highly oversimplified anti-traditionalist/anti-conservative/anti-christian slant of the parent comment. Maybe just maybe we can have a nuanced conversation without all the finger pointing and scapegoating, and recognize that there's some legitimacy to each of these values that sometimes conflict with each other and figuring out the right balance is challenging.
  - brokenmachine 5y ago
    There's more factors here, of course. Linux phones are only for the most masochistic of techies. Average Joe who is uninformed about tech will just assume you get something for your money, and by that measure, iPhones must be the best. I chose Android which comes with it's own problems, but I prefer the way it works, and literally everything about Apple rubs me the wrong way.
- WA 5y ago
  You can’t autocomplete "shit" via the iOS keyboard and several other swear or politically incorrect words.
coldtea 5y ago
>I could even see them announcing it at a launch. We should be concerned that the company has skipped its Black Mirror stage and jumped right into its Universal Paperclips endgame. Well, what Apple did is squarely Black Mirror stage, nowhere near Universal Paperclips.