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Please don't spread confusion about what "free speech" means. I'm sure you are not actually confused about this, so please do not pretend to be. Having some pe

by Bud 5y ago

Please don't spread confusion about what "free speech" means. I'm sure you are not actually confused about this, so please do not pretend to be. Having some people not appear on a given podcast is not a "free speech" issue. Choosing to not be a dangerous idiot by having dangerous idiots on your show during a pandemic is not "censorship" or anything remotely close to censorship as it is commonly, and correctly, understood.

WalterBright 5y ago
It is censorship when the government leans on you to not promulgate ideas the government decides are false.
- likeclockwork 5y ago
  You're the only one bringing the Government into this.
  - WalterBright 5y ago
    The government has been leaning on to social media companies telling them to self-censor or the government will do it for them.
    - likeclockwork 5y ago
      And none of that is what this discussion was ever about. Conflating criticism with calls for government censorship is a dishonest rhetorical tactic.
timr 5y ago
> Please don't spread confusion about what "free speech" means. I'm not confused. > Choosing to not be a dangerous idiot by having dangerous idiots on your show during a pandemic is not "censorship" or anything remotely close to censorship as it is commonly, and correctly, understood. When someone decides for me that "dangerous idiots" should not have a voice -- for whatever justification -- I'm against them having the ability to act on that impulse. The wonderful thing about free speech is that if you don't like it, you're free not to listen to it. Every censor has started from the premise that they're doing good. I don't agree with your opinions, and I'm not so feeble-minded as to be unable to decide for myself what I see.
- Bud 5y ago
  They weren't opinions. I stated facts about what "free speech" applies to, and what it doesn't. You pretending to not understand it does not change those facts. Neither does your repeating your contrary-to-fact, silly assertions, which have nothing to do with actual government restrictions on speech. Let me just reiterate this, on the one-in-a-million chance that you actually don't get it: Joe Rogan can restrict the speech of whomever he fucking wants, for ANY reason, and that does NOT constitute any actual restraint on anyone's "free speech" rights.
swayvil 5y ago
And who picks the "dangerous idiots"? You? Your favorite authority? Ha ha.

by Bud 5y ago

WalterBright 5y ago

It is censorship when the government leans on you to not promulgate ideas the government decides are false.

likeclockwork 5y ago
You're the only one bringing the Government into this.
- WalterBright 5y ago
  The government has been leaning on to social media companies telling them to self-censor or the government will do it for them.
  - likeclockwork 5y ago
    And none of that is what this discussion was ever about. Conflating criticism with calls for government censorship is a dishonest rhetorical tactic.

timr 5y ago

> Please don't spread confusion about what "free speech" means. I'm not confused. > Choosing to not be a dangerous idiot by having dangerous idiots on your show during a pandemic is not "censorship" or anything remotely close to censorship as it is commonly, and correctly, understood. When someone decides for me that "dangerous idiots" should not have a voice -- for whatever justification -- I'm against them having the ability to act on that impulse. The wonderful thing about free speech is that if you don't like it, you're free not to listen to it. Every censor has started from the premise that they're doing good. I don't agree with your opinions, and I'm not so feeble-minded as to be unable to decide for myself what I see.

Bud 5y ago
They weren't opinions. I stated facts about what "free speech" applies to, and what it doesn't. You pretending to not understand it does not change those facts. Neither does your repeating your contrary-to-fact, silly assertions, which have nothing to do with actual government restrictions on speech. Let me just reiterate this, on the one-in-a-million chance that you actually don't get it: Joe Rogan can restrict the speech of whomever he fucking wants, for ANY reason, and that does NOT constitute any actual restraint on anyone's "free speech" rights.

swayvil 5y ago

And who picks the "dangerous idiots"? You? Your favorite authority? Ha ha.