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I don't think that's accurate. Do you have some links or anything to back that up? Like actual transcripts, not some media interpretation. "People say, do you

I don't think that's accurate. Do you have some links or anything to back that up? Like actual transcripts, not some media interpretation. "People say, do you think it's safe to get vaccinated? I've said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do," Rogan said on the podcast. "But if you're like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Are you healthy? Are you a healthy person?" "If you're a healthy person, and you're exercising all the time, and you're young, and you're eating well," Rogan continued, "like, I don't think you need to worry about this." If this is what you are referring to, is that really anti-vax?

ta2987 5y ago
Yes.
JxLS-cpgbe0 5y ago
> should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Yes that's anti-vax. We get vaccinated not just to protect ourselves from death, but also to protect those around us by reducing the transmission of disease.
- I_cape_runts 5y ago
  False. The vaccinated can and do transmit the disease. Vaccination only protects you. It doesn’t protect others around you.
  - JxLS-cpgbe0 5y ago
    It reduces the chance of transmission. That's how it protects others... > Vaccination only protects you False. Vaccinated people can still get sick, and vaccination reduces the spread of disease, protecting people that aren't you. http://cdc.org/ http://cdc.org/
    - makomk 5y ago
      Except that all the existing evidence suggests your argument is backwards. Whilst Covid-19 vaccination doesn't provide full protection for either the vaccinated or those around them, it seems to be much more effective at protecting the person being vaccinated against severe symptoms, hospitalization and death than it does at stopping them catching and spreading the virus to others. As far as I can tell, literally the only reason vaccination is primarily framed as a way of protecting others is because that framing fits better into left-wing politics; it has nothing to do with the actual evidence.
      - Clubber 5y ago
        According to the CDC, each vaccine efficacy at preventing the recipient from catching the virus. To your point they also reduces severity of symptoms. Looks like the J&J one ain't that great at prevention. Based on evidence from clinical trials in people 16 years and older, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 95% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed infection with the virus that causes COVID-19 in people who received two doses and had no evidence of being previously infected. Based on evidence from clinical trials, in people aged 18 years and older, the Moderna vaccine was 94.1% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infection in people who received two doses and had no evidence of being previously infected. The J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine was 66.3% effective in clinical trials (efficacy) at preventing laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infection in people who received the vaccine and had no evidence of being previously infected. People had the most protection 2 weeks after getting vaccinated. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different...
        makomk 5y ago
        That's from the clinical trials, which are like two variants behind what people are actually being exposed to in the wild right now. The vaccines are much less effective at preventing people from catching and spreading the currently-circulating Delta variant than the original one which those numbers were based on. Firstly, they don't stop people from catching the virus nearly as well, and secondly vaccinated people who do catch the virus seem to have comparable viral load and spread it just as well as the unvaccinated. Also, the Delta variant is just better at spreading in general, which itself means a more effective vaccine would be needed in order to prevent everyone from inevitably catching it.
  - kelnos 5y ago
    It's more nuanced than that. Prior to the delta variant, there was strong evidence that the vaccines also prevented you from being a carrier of the virus in most cases. The calculus with delta is different, as it does seem that vaccinated people can spread delta. But the severity of that spread, as well as the amount of time a vaccinated person can spread it, is certainly lower than that of an unvaccinated person.
- rkk3 5y ago
  Acknowledging that vaccines have some risk & at a certain risk reward trade-off you would not take the vaccine is not anti-vax.
- fatcoward 5y ago
  WHY AREN'T THOSE PEOPLE VACCINATED TOO YOU STUPID FUCK?
reanimus 5y ago
Yeah, it is! People thinking they don't need the vaccine are contracting COVID and acting like human petri dishes for new variants to arise from. It's also ignoring the reality of COVID aftereffects (like parosmia) that affect young people who recover too.
- clipradiowallet 5y ago
  How do you come to that conclusion? Specifically your conflusion that Joe Rogan is "anti-vax" from your sample of him replying "I'll go no". If that's all it takes for you to label someone, is someone saying "I'll go no" to a homosexual encounter also anti-gay? Is someone who doesn't agree with their governments policy anti-government? Might want to relax a bit...I hear opinions are like certain body parts. We've all got them, including Joe Rogan, and getting up in arms about it doesn't help you or anyone else.
kelnos 5y ago
I don't know anything about what Rogan has said about vaccinations (I'm not the parent you're replying to), but I still think this is a very disappointing, dangerously misinformed take on his part. He's flat-out wrong; if you're 21, generally healthy, exercising, etc., you absolutely should get the vaccine. Also note that at first glance what he says sounds reasonable. He's not the frothing-at-the-mouth anti-vaxxer spouting garbage about vaccines containing tracking chips, or part of the idiot crowd decrying vaccination as somehow an affront to their liberty. He's saying something reasoned, in a presumably calm manner, and that will push even reasonable people believe it, even though he is completely wrong. These takes encourage people to only think about themselves. Even if a young, generally healthy (unvaccinated) person is unlikely to get sick (or worse), they could still very easily end up an asymptomatic carrier, and give it to someone who isn't in such great shape. Beyond that, an unvaccinated host is also a great place for the virus to mutate and spread, prolonging the pandemic for everyone. Everyone who is eligible and medically able needs to get vaccinated. I'm getting super tired of all this garbage; the US has had the vaccine supply and capability to be out of the pandemic by now, but the unvaccinated are screwing over the rest of us who are doing the right thing.
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- sleavey 5y ago
  > the unvaccinated are screwing over the rest of us who are doing the right thing. I'm curious as to what evidence you base that assertion on. Respectfully, can you explain your position there?
- timr 5y ago
  > He's flat-out wrong; if you're 21, generally healthy, exercising, etc., you absolutely should get the vaccine. While I generally agree with you, this is an opinion, not an unquestionable fact. Especially as we're seeing elevated risk of myocarditis in young men, there's absolutely a legitimate debate here. I don't necessarily think Rogan is the one advancing that debate, but presenting opinions as facts is not helping anyone.
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crazygringo 5y ago
Of course that's anti-vax. The main purpose of getting the vaccine isn't just to protect yourself -- it's to reduce the chances of you transmitting it to others. It's about herd immunity, not personal immunity. Whether you're young and healthy is irrelevant.
- ostenning 5y ago
  Herd immunity is not possible with our current vaccines[1], which means that coronavirus will continue to propagate through society whether you decide to get vaccinated or not. You can make the argument that getting vaccinated reduces the risk of you being hospitalized, which keeps a bed and a nurse available for someone else. Thats a much more valid argument to make. [1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2 Edit: for those downvoting me, I’ve added a reference for more information
  - TigeriusKirk 5y ago
    >Herd immunity is not possible with our current vaccines, which means that coronavirus will continue to propagate through society This is my understanding as well, which was why I decided to get vaccinated. If avoiding infection is impossible in the long run, I should help my immune system prepare for it. I wonder how differently things would be going if the campaign was "Covid is here to stay. You will get it. Get vaccinated." Maybe it would help, maybe not.
    - Clubber 5y ago
      >I wonder how differently things would be going if the campaign was "Covid is here to stay. You will get it. Get vaccinated." I actually heard someone say that today, but I don't remember where. Maybe Breaking Points, but not sure. I was certainly rattled when I saw amateur video of hospital workers stacking bodies in a freezer truck in NYC. They should do more like that. As morbid as it is, it gets the point across. https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/disturbing-footage-shows-dead-bodies-loaded-onto-truck-outside-brooklyn-hospital/ https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/disturbing-footage-shows-dead-... This wasn't the one I saw but you get the idea.

ta2987 5y ago

Yes.

JxLS-cpgbe0 5y ago

> should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Yes that's anti-vax. We get vaccinated not just to protect ourselves from death, but also to protect those around us by reducing the transmission of disease.

I_cape_runts 5y ago
False. The vaccinated can and do transmit the disease. Vaccination only protects you. It doesn’t protect others around you.
- JxLS-cpgbe0 5y ago
  It reduces the chance of transmission. That's how it protects others... > Vaccination only protects you False. Vaccinated people can still get sick, and vaccination reduces the spread of disease, protecting people that aren't you. http://cdc.org/ http://cdc.org/
  - makomk 5y ago
    Except that all the existing evidence suggests your argument is backwards. Whilst Covid-19 vaccination doesn't provide full protection for either the vaccinated or those around them, it seems to be much more effective at protecting the person being vaccinated against severe symptoms, hospitalization and death than it does at stopping them catching and spreading the virus to others. As far as I can tell, literally the only reason vaccination is primarily framed as a way of protecting others is because that framing fits better into left-wing politics; it has nothing to do with the actual evidence.
    - Clubber 5y ago
      According to the CDC, each vaccine efficacy at preventing the recipient from catching the virus. To your point they also reduces severity of symptoms. Looks like the J&J one ain't that great at prevention. Based on evidence from clinical trials in people 16 years and older, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 95% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed infection with the virus that causes COVID-19 in people who received two doses and had no evidence of being previously infected. Based on evidence from clinical trials, in people aged 18 years and older, the Moderna vaccine was 94.1% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infection in people who received two doses and had no evidence of being previously infected. The J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine was 66.3% effective in clinical trials (efficacy) at preventing laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infection in people who received the vaccine and had no evidence of being previously infected. People had the most protection 2 weeks after getting vaccinated. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different...
      - makomk 5y ago
        That's from the clinical trials, which are like two variants behind what people are actually being exposed to in the wild right now. The vaccines are much less effective at preventing people from catching and spreading the currently-circulating Delta variant than the original one which those numbers were based on. Firstly, they don't stop people from catching the virus nearly as well, and secondly vaccinated people who do catch the virus seem to have comparable viral load and spread it just as well as the unvaccinated. Also, the Delta variant is just better at spreading in general, which itself means a more effective vaccine would be needed in order to prevent everyone from inevitably catching it.
- kelnos 5y ago
  It's more nuanced than that. Prior to the delta variant, there was strong evidence that the vaccines also prevented you from being a carrier of the virus in most cases. The calculus with delta is different, as it does seem that vaccinated people can spread delta. But the severity of that spread, as well as the amount of time a vaccinated person can spread it, is certainly lower than that of an unvaccinated person.
rkk3 5y ago
Acknowledging that vaccines have some risk & at a certain risk reward trade-off you would not take the vaccine is not anti-vax.
fatcoward 5y ago
WHY AREN'T THOSE PEOPLE VACCINATED TOO YOU STUPID FUCK?

reanimus 5y ago

Yeah, it is! People thinking they don't need the vaccine are contracting COVID and acting like human petri dishes for new variants to arise from. It's also ignoring the reality of COVID aftereffects (like parosmia) that affect young people who recover too.

clipradiowallet 5y ago
How do you come to that conclusion? Specifically your conflusion that Joe Rogan is "anti-vax" from your sample of him replying "I'll go no". If that's all it takes for you to label someone, is someone saying "I'll go no" to a homosexual encounter also anti-gay? Is someone who doesn't agree with their governments policy anti-government? Might want to relax a bit...I hear opinions are like certain body parts. We've all got them, including Joe Rogan, and getting up in arms about it doesn't help you or anyone else.

kelnos 5y ago

I don't know anything about what Rogan has said about vaccinations (I'm not the parent you're replying to), but I still think this is a very disappointing, dangerously misinformed take on his part. He's flat-out wrong; if you're 21, generally healthy, exercising, etc., you absolutely should get the vaccine. Also note that at first glance what he says sounds reasonable. He's not the frothing-at-the-mouth anti-vaxxer spouting garbage about vaccines containing tracking chips, or part of the idiot crowd decrying vaccination as somehow an affront to their liberty. He's saying something reasoned, in a presumably calm manner, and that will push even reasonable people believe it, even though he is completely wrong. These takes encourage people to only think about themselves. Even if a young, generally healthy (unvaccinated) person is unlikely to get sick (or worse), they could still very easily end up an asymptomatic carrier, and give it to someone who isn't in such great shape. Beyond that, an unvaccinated host is also a great place for the virus to mutate and spread, prolonging the pandemic for everyone. Everyone who is eligible and medically able needs to get vaccinated. I'm getting super tired of all this garbage; the US has had the vaccine supply and capability to be out of the pandemic by now, but the unvaccinated are screwing over the rest of us who are doing the right thing.

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sleavey 5y ago
> the unvaccinated are screwing over the rest of us who are doing the right thing. I'm curious as to what evidence you base that assertion on. Respectfully, can you explain your position there?
timr 5y ago
> He's flat-out wrong; if you're 21, generally healthy, exercising, etc., you absolutely should get the vaccine. While I generally agree with you, this is an opinion, not an unquestionable fact. Especially as we're seeing elevated risk of myocarditis in young men, there's absolutely a legitimate debate here. I don't necessarily think Rogan is the one advancing that debate, but presenting opinions as facts is not helping anyone.
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crazygringo 5y ago

Of course that's anti-vax. The main purpose of getting the vaccine isn't just to protect yourself -- it's to reduce the chances of you transmitting it to others. It's about herd immunity, not personal immunity. Whether you're young and healthy is irrelevant.

ostenning 5y ago
Herd immunity is not possible with our current vaccines[1], which means that coronavirus will continue to propagate through society whether you decide to get vaccinated or not. You can make the argument that getting vaccinated reduces the risk of you being hospitalized, which keeps a bed and a nurse available for someone else. Thats a much more valid argument to make. [1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2 Edit: for those downvoting me, I’ve added a reference for more information
- TigeriusKirk 5y ago
  >Herd immunity is not possible with our current vaccines, which means that coronavirus will continue to propagate through society This is my understanding as well, which was why I decided to get vaccinated. If avoiding infection is impossible in the long run, I should help my immune system prepare for it. I wonder how differently things would be going if the campaign was "Covid is here to stay. You will get it. Get vaccinated." Maybe it would help, maybe not.
  - Clubber 5y ago
    >I wonder how differently things would be going if the campaign was "Covid is here to stay. You will get it. Get vaccinated." I actually heard someone say that today, but I don't remember where. Maybe Breaking Points, but not sure. I was certainly rattled when I saw amateur video of hospital workers stacking bodies in a freezer truck in NYC. They should do more like that. As morbid as it is, it gets the point across. https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/disturbing-footage-shows-dead-bodies-loaded-onto-truck-outside-brooklyn-hospital/ https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/disturbing-footage-shows-dead-... This wasn't the one I saw but you get the idea.