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I stopped watching purely due to the Spotify deal. I was willing to give it a try until I saw that they were memoryholing episodes. I might be in the minority h
by beezischillin 5y ago
I stopped watching purely due to the Spotify deal. I was willing to give it a try until I saw that they were memoryholing episodes. I might be in the minority here but it felt like a betrayal. If he wanted more money he could’ve invested in his own platform like many others and people would’ve followed. There’s plenty of other content in the sea.
- bostonsre 5y agomemoryholing episodes == ?
- ceejayoz 5y agoSpotify didn't bring over the old episodes with people like Alex Jones, Gavin McInnes, and Milo Yiannopoulos. > “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform,” Rogan said, per DMN. “And I was like, ‘OK, I don’t care.'” https://www.thewrap.com/spotify-deletes-joe-rogan-podcast-episodes/ https://www.thewrap.com/spotify-deletes-joe-rogan-podcast-ep...
- duxup 5y agoKinda curious, do fans .. .care about that? I guess some do but I don't think I ever listen to past podcasts that I've already listened to...
- ceejayoz 5y ago> Kinda curious, do fans .. .care about that? Beyond bad faith concern trolling, I suspect not.
- nradov 5y agoI'm not particularly a "fan", but I do enjoy listening to some JRE episodes when he has interesting guests like Andrew Huberman. I don't care about losing access to old podcasts any more than I care about Netflix pulling certain movies. That's just the reality of all streaming services. Content gets removed all the time for all sorts of reasons. If you want to maintain access to something then you'll have to make a local copy on hardware you own.
- conductr 5y agoIt leads to that content never being produced. It’s a form of censorship.
- bostonsre 5y agoAll of the old ones are on youtube anyways, so I would guess not. e.g. an alex jones one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdVso9FSkmE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdVso9FSkmE
- dylan604 5y agoIf you're recommending someone should listen to a previous episode you might be interested that it is avaialable or not.
- pelasaco 5y agoI for example like to hear everything from the beginning of the pandemics.. it is quite interesting to see now how wrong/right the experts were.
- literallyaduck 5y agoThey don't burn books, they just remove them. Those episodes happened, and removing them is a form of gaslighting. If they find the content objectionable then putting a disclaimer, if it is objectionable enough then removing the entire series from the platform could be an option, but it is lost history. In this case the artist doesn't care, and probably is happy to sweep those episodes under the rug. It is like how Disney wishes they hadn't made "Song of the South".
- duxup 5y agoAren't they still available on YouTube / elsewhere?
- effingwewt 5y agoThe problem, as with every memory-holed episode ever, is that people watching/listening for the first time (or say they only use X platform to consume whatever) will never know they existed. In other words, lying by omission is still lying. Edit to add- just to show how unbelievably petty the reasoning can be- Tyler Perry threw a bitch-fit about an episode of Boondocks and had it pulled (as was an episode ripping on BET when they screamed). For something that was pure satire and a cartoon they not only had it pulled from airing, they now no longer list the episodes at all on Hulu/HBOMax, pretending they never existed at all, even re-numbering the episodes. All because of Tyler Perry/Some BET exec's ego? GTFO. We have Holocaust deniers while still having people alive that survived it. We have people constantly denying proven, recent history and some people think it's ok to censor shit and pretend it never happened and it'll be all roses and sunshine.
- duxup 5y agoThat seems strange though. YouTube isn't a library where I expect them to host anything uploaded forever under any circumstances.
- effingwewt 5y agoThat isn't what we are speaking about here. If youtube buys the rights to a show and uploads 'their version' of it with episodes missing and re-numbered so no one will notice any are missing, they are controlling a narrative. They should at least have a disclaimer about the missing episodes. This isn't some new idea here.
- kristjank 5y agoShame. Not to condone these people, but since getting along with everyone was Joe Rogan's thing, I think they should've embraced it. But Joe was most likely not glad to preserve that part of his career either, otherwise I assume he would protest.
- kbenson 5y ago$100 million is a lot of incentive to not protest. The line between actually important and kinda important gets really well defined when you throw that much money on the table.
- chaoticmass 5y agoRemoving certain old episodes from the catalogue (as if they never existed, so they become forgotten)
- correct_horse 5y agoMemory hole is from 1984. It is where they put papers to be incinerated and forgotten. Spotify removed a few Joe Rogan episodes IIRC.
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- TakerofVita 5y agoI'm guessing this: > A memory hole is any mechanism for the deliberate alteration or disappearance of inconvenient or embarrassing documents, photographs, transcripts or other records, such as from a website or other archive, particularly as part of an attempt to give the impression that something never happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole
- blendergeek 5y agoI believe GP is refering to the fact that Spotify has removed episodes from Joe Rogan's back catalog that have been deemed controversial [0]. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-rogan-experience-podcast-episodes-removed-spotify-2021-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-rogan-experience-podcast...
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- bb123 5y agoWhat does memoryholing mean?
- pcstl 5y agoDeleting something produced in the past such that it cannot be found anymore.
- kristjank 5y agoWiping and unacknowledging something's past existence. Think unpersons in 1984.
- indy 5y agoSome episodes are no longer available, as if Spotify wants everyone to forget that they even exist. Episodes featuring Milo Yiannopoulos, Alex Jones etc. In other words, guests that offend the progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley
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- Milolol 5y agoMilo Yiannopoulos is a self-proclaimed white supremacist, that offends more than "the progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley," it offends everyone that's not a white supremacist. Alex Jones testified to being a performance artist and hosts a talk show purely to hawk merchandise. Does that really fit the mold of a thought-provoking podcast like Rogan's?
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y agoHe's not white supremacists. He openly says he prefers black men and has on several podcasts. He's just not a typical gay man so he gets villified.
- Covzire 5y agoWhat happened? Liberalism used to have a solid footing on the essentials of the constitution. If your enemies or people you don't like don't have rights, you don't either. The ACLU used to understand this probably better than most organizations and today, like much of CA and NY, they're lost.
- mr_sturd 5y agoSome old episodes can be found at https://archive.org/details/jre-001-837 https://archive.org/details/jre-001-837
- megablast 5y ago> memoryholing Who talks like this??
- casefields 5y agoPeople who have read Orwell's 1984.
- blahblahblogger 5y agoI didn't like them banning episodes too. There were internal movements from Spotify employees (liberal Silicon Valley workers) who wanted episodes completely censored and removed. Joe talked about it a few times and I read some articles. The irony is that by moving to these liberal employees' platform, he's losing influence :) By creating a crappy podcast platform they've ensured they get what they want and he ends up diminished.
- steve_adams_86 5y ago> liberal employees Unless Spotify publicly disclosed which employees said something along with their political beliefs, I think the best we can do here is describe them as Spotify employees. Arguably there are reasons to dislike Joe's podcast for people all over the political spectrum.
- pwner39 5y agoEh, liberals nowadays are much more likely to favor censorship than conservatives, which is ironic considering they're "liberal". Also, it's Silicon Valley, liberals outnumber conservatives 10 to 1 so he's probably spot on with how he described them.