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In Europe, worked in couple of countries. All the employers had the right to force you to take vacation at a certain date I have never seen it done. I am talkin

• inglor_cz 5y ago
  Software is more permissive, yes. OTOH doctors are very used to have their options limited by the hospital they work in.
  • saiya-jin 5y ago
    In Switzerland for example, doctors can take vacation as they want (apart form Christmas/New Year/Easter when its strictly managed by hospital), but they need to apply 6-12 months in advance. Another example of the situation above are factory workers, ie in Germany there are millions of cars moving south every summer during specific weeks valid for their part of the country, when +-whole factory goes out.
    • Scoundreller 5y ago
      > In Switzerland for example, doctors can take vacation as they want (apart form Christmas/New Year/Easter when its strictly managed by hospital) You need a more diverse workforce. Where I am, the Persian guy will work every Jan 1 as long as we guarantee him the first day of spring off. The Muslim lady will do Dec 24/25 as long as she gets some other specific day off. The hard days to schedule are “family day” and other non-cultural holidays.
      • thaumasiotes 5y ago
        > You need a more diverse workforce. Where I am, the Persian guy will work every Jan 1 as long as we guarantee him the first day of spring off. This is only a solution some of the time. I worked through Christmas / New Year's at eBay the year I joined, because I hadn't accrued enough vacation for it to make sense to take vacation. But there was no work to do, because... everyone else was on vacation. Having me in the office benefited no one.
        • Scoundreller 5y ago
          Some employers just start you off with 3 or whatever accrued days of vacation, or let you go into the negatives within reason. Though I’ve often try to work the non-holiday days around Christmas because it lets me clean everything up without anyone asking for much. But we always keep a skeleton team around in case (critical operation).
          • thaumasiotes 5y ago
            > Some employers just start you off with 3 or whatever accrued days of vacation, or let you go into the negatives within reason. That solves the problem considered from my perspective, but it's less good from eBay's perspective. What the company really wants is to make the vacation at that time compulsory. If I have nothing better to do, under the system I experienced, I can still come into the office and eBay has to pay me despite the fact that they have nothing for me to do.
        • refurb 5y ago
          This is just optimization. Work when most people take vacation and you can have an easy few weeks, then spend your vacation when you want. The other tactic I saw was block out vacation, but don’t actually take it so you actually have time to catch up on work. Every leaves you alone (because they think you’re off).
    • stuartbman 5y ago
      The chaos of the NHS beaurocracy in the UK means that doctors don't get rota for their 4-6 month rotations earlier than usually 2-6 weeks before they start, so you aren't able to plan ahead further than the rotation you're in
• p_l 5y ago
  In financial industry AFAIK it's somewhat known tactic - against fraud. So you're required to take PTO every so often in specific minimal-sized chunk, because it acts both as sort-of chaos monkey, and exposes possible fraud issues when whatever schemes fail due to missing a person they depend on to execute flawlessly.
  • brendoelfrendo 5y ago
    Generally, the guidance in the US is that employees who perform/have the ability to perform sensitive financial actions take a minimum of two consecutive weeks off per year (that's the guidance from the FDIC, Federal Reserve, and NY DFS). There's no requirement that the employer dictate when their employees take that time, just that their vacation/time off policy must require it.
  • BoppreH 5y ago
    I can confirm this one. The technical term is MTA, Mandatory Time Away.
• rtpg 5y ago
  Yeah I think it's more something done in industrial contexts (shut down the factory for two weeks, etc). Though definitely less painful when you end up with 6 weeks a year of days off in total.
• mytailorisrich 5y ago
  It happens whenever a minimal presence is needed, even in the software industry, e.g. for support. In general management prefers team members sort things out among themselves. E.g. one goes on leave during the first week of the school holiday the other on the second week.
• dnh44 5y ago
  In the UK lots of companies shut down between Christmas and New Years. Some of our suppliers in Europe also shutdown for a couple weeks in August. I'm actually a bit surprised that you haven't come across it before because I've always been under the impression that these winter and summer shutdowns are pretty common.