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Some people are pretending that it is a user feature to throttle and that it is to have a more stable phone when the battery becomes older. But, if my memory i

Some people are pretending that it is a user feature to throttle and that it is to have a more stable phone when the battery becomes older. But, if my memory is good, when Apple was fined in France, it was shown that the throttling was performed without consideration for the battery state. So was done even with a new battery (or the power cord plugged) Also, for people having Stockholm syndrome, if they would have to throttle to preserve stability when the battery is old, it is not a "nice" user feature but a consequence of having made the battery not removable and easily swappable!

1123581321 5y ago
Your memory is a bit off. You could use a CPU monitoring app to see different speeds on newer and older batteries. You’re right that it didn’t speed up when plugged in.
- kemayo 5y ago
  I think iPhones don't run directly off external power even when plugged in -- they charge the battery, and run from that. For evidence, note that if your battery is completely dead, you need to provide power for a few minutes to get it some baseline amount of charge before you can turn the phone on. It feels plausible that a battery with bad peak voltage could still be unreliable even while being actively charged, so it'd make sense if the throttling remained.
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    Most phones don't run directly from mains with an empty or removed battery. The reason is that the power supply isn't guaranteed to be able to cope with the short peaks in power like from the various radios. It could lead to brownouts. And it's not a common enough usecase for manufacturers to bother supporting.
    - rubyn00bie 5y ago
      > And it's not a common enough usecase for manufacturers to bother supporting. Woah now, I would like to disagree with that, phones running out of a charge is a pretty regular occurrence. In fact, I'd say the only reason people panic so often to keep a charge is because the fucking things won't turn back on immediately. shakes fist at sky It would be fucking GREAT if I could use it (turn it on) immediately upon plugging it into a power source. I have been pissed off about not being able to use my iPhone (or any device) while plugged in since "they" (electronics manufacturers) started doing this shit. Truly, I've seen grown ass people thrown into a panic because their phone is about to die and I promise 80% of that panic (for a plethora of reasons from silly to necessary) would be alleviated if they knew they could just plug the damn thing in and have it turn on immediately. Edit: moar better grammar.
      - kemayo 5y ago
        I will say that I've used a smartphone for about a decade now, and I can count on one hand the number of times it has actually run out of charge. (With hitting <5% being about as infrequent.) Usage patterns clearly vary wildly, here. :D
        TeMPOraL 5y ago
        That's likely because you've incorporated the "phone battery dance" so strongly into your life, that you don't even notice it anymore. I agree with GP here - most adults (and teenagers) organize their day in part around keeping their phone charged.
      - chrismorgan 5y ago
        I have one phone that once got into a reboot loop: its battery was flat, so I’d provide it with a USB power source, it’d charge the battery for about five seconds, then it’d try to start up automatically (without me telling it to), but that would stop it charging the battery from which is all it seems to be willing to draw from at that stage of boot, so after another about five seconds it’d die of a flat battery again, then after another few seconds it’d recognise the power source and start the loop again. The entire cycle took about 17 seconds, like clockwork. Not sure quite why it went like that; historically it had been willing to charge from flat, and since then I think it is too, though I haven’t used it much for the last couple of years, and I can’t remember whether it normally powers on automatically in this case. I tried almost all combinations of four USB cables and five power sources (Surface Book, car with 12V → USB adapter, Surface Book AC adapter which has an additional USB outlet, Surface Dock, and a wall charger) before finding some combination that worked, not triggering the untimely and defective power-on.
  - scld 5y ago
    A battery management IC will be able to discern a battery's health. Not saying you're wrong, but it could easily be the case that the iphone runs from wall power if it detects a healthy battery, but doesn't allow that if the battery is very dead.
  - ReactiveJelly 5y ago
    I'm no EE, but I think Kirchoff's current law says something about that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchhoff%27s_circuit_laws#Kirchhoff's_current_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchhoff%27s_circuit_laws#Kir... The battery is either charging or discharging on net. I sometimes see colloquialisms like "The laptop isn't really running off AC power, the AC is charging the battery and the laptop is discharging it to run". I also see people say that it's bad to keep a phone or laptop on its charger all day, and I usually do that to no ill effect, so I stopped trusting common wisdom on batteries. When you get down to the cell level, each cell has 2 terminals, and it's either charging or discharging, right? Unless the charge circuit is doing some green-blue trick to charge half the cells and discharge the others, nothing that runs off a battery can be running AC "through" the battery. They taught us in A+ class that UPS' run power "through" the battery but I think it's objectively wrong. Especially if it's a lead-acid battery which I _know_ only has two terminals. You can draw a boundary around the battery and charging stuff and say, if 90 watts is going in and the computer is pulling 80 watts, the battery must be charging at 10 watts. If the computer is pulling 120 watts, the battery must be discharging at 30 watts. But there is not 90 watts of power flowing "through" the battery in either case. Adding a load just causes it to charge slower, or discharge instead of charging. It's probably true that the power supply only converts from mains to whatever the battery charger wants, and there's no path from mains to the load without going through the battery's voltage, but as other posters said, the reason you can't run some phones with a dead battery is more related to peak load. I have definitely owned mobile hardware that worked _pretty well_ without a battery, but worked better with a battery to smooth out load during startup or CPU load spikes.
    - LambdaComplex 5y ago
      Could you not have some sort of circuitry that causes the battery to be completely bypassed when AC is connected (Obviously the AC would be going through a power supply to convert it to DC of the proper voltage, but still)
      - zsmi 5y ago
        TI has a nice overview of how most of these systems work. https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slyt769/slyt769.pdf https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slyt769/slyt769.pdf Figure 1 shows the architecture pretty much everything uses. It's done this way because it's simple and effective. Basically ReactiveJelly has it right and there is KCL at a node that joins the DC output of the power adapter, the system and the battery. When the adapter is present, if the system draws more than the adapter can supply, the difference comes from the battery, discharging it. if the adapter can provide more than the system needs the difference goes to the battery, charging it. The main issue is modern systems can change their load way faster than the adapter can respond. Therefore it's up to the battery to make up the difference during these rapid transients preventing system shutdown. As long as it doesn't happen too much (and the system might choose to throttle to guarantee this if is not true) the battery charges on average. In the end the systems are a complicated thing because they are balancing: safety, battery lifetime, wanting to support many sizes of adapters, thermal considerations, charge time and system performance. And everyone has their own opinions on how to prioritize things.
8bitsrule 5y ago
Battery not removeable was a stopper since year one. (Why would anyone not want to wait for a charge?) A "nice" user feature would be a preference to self-throttle a step or two. Else it's like they think they own the phones you bought years ago... or don't trust their own developers to do it right.
- emodendroket 5y ago
  Besides the more obvious reasons, making the battery swappable would compromise other things like thickness, weight, waterproofing, and so on.
  - Spooky23 5y ago
    Perhaps. I used to carry a rugged android that could be operated underwater or in the presence of some explosive gasses. It was a bit heavier, but it was also the equivalent to normal device with a rugged case. A company with the sophistication of industrial design like Apple could build a moderately more rugged device that would be very close to the existing iPhones. The real and obvious reason for Apples decisions is that both high margin extended warranties and cases for iPhones probably generate more income than the Mac.
    - emodendroket 5y ago
      A curious thing about consumer behavior is that they never report phone thickness being a top concern but in practice it is actually one of the top criteria by which they judge phones. Apple may benefit from planned obsolescence but they can (and do) just stop updating the software to achieve the same end. I suspect that if they made two versions of the iPhone, one like now and another along the lines you suggest, the current design would sell much better.
      - p2t2p 5y ago
        > they never report phone thickness being a top concern but in practice it is actually one of the top criteria by which they judge phones So much true. I'm on iPhone 12 Pro right now but I am always tempted to play with my Moto 5g Plus. It is quite a bit thinner or at least feels like that and it feels so much better in my hand.
ummonk 5y ago
> But, if my memory is good, when Apple was fined in France, it was shown that the throttling was performed without consideration for the battery state. So was done even with a new battery (or the power cord plugged) That doesn’t make any sense. It’s not throttling if that’s already what it’s like out of the box. Or is every manufacturer that doesn’t overclock the chips in its devices guilty of throttling?
vladvasiliu 5y ago
Meh, I don't know. I have one of those older iPhones (a 7) whose battery health went somewhat down (around 80% or below) and the phone felt kinda sluggish. I then disabled the "peak protection" or whatever it was called, and then it started randomly shutting down, while not being particularly smoother. It should be noted I don't use intensive apps, such as games. After I had the battery changed, everything went back to normal. Smooth, no random shutdowns, etc. And the battery change cost me a whopping 60 euros out the door at an Apple authorized service center (I even booked the repair through the Apple website). Now don't get me wrong, if I had the choice between a phone with or without a removable battery, I'd go for the former every time, even if it meant it would be bigger. Before the iPhone, I had a Galaxy S5 and I never had an issue with its thickness. But, in more practical terms, all the phones I had before the iPhone (Galaxy S 1, 3, 5) had removable batteries. The 1 I actually bought used, and it came with 2 spare batteries. The only reason those batteries saw any action was because I tried to use them from time to time to not let them die. Now cost-wise, by the end of the GS5's life, the battery started bulging and didn't last as long, so I was looking to buy a new one. A replacement Samsung battery costed 60 to 70 euros, the same price as the iPhone replacement battery, and indeed, most other phone batteries. So I wouldn't say Apple is gouging customers on this particular issue, at least not any more than other brands.
- baby 5y ago
  The reason the battery replacement is possible and cheap is because Apple was sued to oblivion due to these throttling issues.
  - vladvasiliu 5y ago
    I'd be curious what the prices were before this lawsuit. [0] is a September, 2019 article from France, stating that prices went up to 55 euros for the iPhone 7 and similar models. Since I paid 60 one year ago, that means that the trend is upward, right? I've also seen somewhere (can't find it right now) that talks specifically about the throttling issue, and apparently this concerns a one-time battery replacement for 29 euros. This leads me to believe that the 60 euros I've paid were the "regular price", not some discount because of the lawsuit. But maybe prices have been brought down, broadly speaking, as a side effect. --- [0] https://www.igen.fr/iphone/2019/09/apple-augmente-le-prix-du-remplacement-de-la-batterie-hors-garantie-109923 https://www.igen.fr/iphone/2019/09/apple-augmente-le-prix-du...
f6v 5y ago
I think it has less to do with battery and more with each OS version packing more features and being more resource-hungry.
- tsjq 5y ago
  >and more with each OS version packing more features and being more resource-hungry. planned + designed obsolescence
  - f6v 5y ago
    Nobody puts a gun to the head and says "Do a major OS update", right?
- mnd999 5y ago
  Always buy the model with the most RAM and it’ll last a long time. iPhone 6s (from 2015!) is still a perfectly functional phone.
  - azekai 5y ago
    I am running a 6s, can confirm. Battery is a little thirsty, but it runs just fine.
greatgib 5y ago
There is also another point that I forgot, and that is a main point of the french fine I think. In itself, if explicitly warned and controlled by the user, throttling to work better with an old battery would not be so bad. But the thing is that, if your phone (or laptop) does not last long anymore on battery before shutting down, but otherwise works normally, you know that it is just the battery that is dead and that needs to be replaced. But, if the phone becomes slower/sluggish, most non tech users will think "my phone is slow because it is old, it's normal aging, so I need to change it with a new one". And worse, some will even think that their memory was wrong and that it is just that the new models are so fast and reactive that they realize how slow was their previous phone without them realizing. This makes me think about the case of Windows. It is well known that a computer with Windows will go slower and slower time after time as the system get messy. Based on that, I can't count the number of persons that I have met that were thinking of changing their computer for a new one because the old one "became slow because of its age". When the real solution was simply to reinstall Windows to have a fresh system!
- zinekeller 5y ago
  > This makes me think about the case of Windows. A certain graphics card manufacturer has claimed that graphics cards (in continual use) reduces their performance by around 10% each year. Of course, its a near-myth, only saved by the fact that certain components (like fans and the thermal interface on certain cards) loses their performance due to factors beyond their control. The solution is obviously to clean the damn thing.
  - prox 5y ago
    That reminds me… Thanks!
  - scns 5y ago
    And add new thermal paste, i can recommend Thermal Grizzlys' stuff. Disclaimer: contented customer
    - hug 5y ago
deergomoo 5y ago
> But, if my memory is good, when Apple was fined in France, it was shown that the throttling was performed without consideration for the battery state. So was done even with a new battery (or the power cord plugged) I don't think you're correct here. The way this behaviour was initially discovered was that a reddit user ran a benchmarking app before and after a battery replacement, showing a substantial increase to performance afterwards. It would not surprise me if this only applied to first party batteries, though I have no information one way or the other.
Abishek_Muthian 5y ago
I have couple of iDevices lying around in need of battery replacement, I decided to remove the bulged battery from iPad Air 2(for safety) and in the process destroyed the display, The ribbon cable tore like tissue paper) and cut my finger(I've been repairing my electronics all my life, this was the first time with Apple devices). My next plan was to order replacement display, batteries for that iPad and iPhone from iFixit but after a hard-thought I decided to not put any more money into this ecosystem and rather buy a PineTab (which cost cheaper than the replacement parts for the iDevices).
thebruce87m 5y ago
Your memory isn’t good, but there is a constant stream of misinformation regarding this so I don’t blame you. The issue was referred to as batterygate for a reason - it was entirely to do with battery condition.

1123581321 5y ago

Your memory is a bit off. You could use a CPU monitoring app to see different speeds on newer and older batteries. You’re right that it didn’t speed up when plugged in.

kemayo 5y ago
I think iPhones don't run directly off external power even when plugged in -- they charge the battery, and run from that. For evidence, note that if your battery is completely dead, you need to provide power for a few minutes to get it some baseline amount of charge before you can turn the phone on. It feels plausible that a battery with bad peak voltage could still be unreliable even while being actively charged, so it'd make sense if the throttling remained.
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  Most phones don't run directly from mains with an empty or removed battery. The reason is that the power supply isn't guaranteed to be able to cope with the short peaks in power like from the various radios. It could lead to brownouts. And it's not a common enough usecase for manufacturers to bother supporting.
  - rubyn00bie 5y ago
    > And it's not a common enough usecase for manufacturers to bother supporting. Woah now, I would like to disagree with that, phones running out of a charge is a pretty regular occurrence. In fact, I'd say the only reason people panic so often to keep a charge is because the fucking things won't turn back on immediately. shakes fist at sky It would be fucking GREAT if I could use it (turn it on) immediately upon plugging it into a power source. I have been pissed off about not being able to use my iPhone (or any device) while plugged in since "they" (electronics manufacturers) started doing this shit. Truly, I've seen grown ass people thrown into a panic because their phone is about to die and I promise 80% of that panic (for a plethora of reasons from silly to necessary) would be alleviated if they knew they could just plug the damn thing in and have it turn on immediately. Edit: moar better grammar.
    - kemayo 5y ago
      I will say that I've used a smartphone for about a decade now, and I can count on one hand the number of times it has actually run out of charge. (With hitting <5% being about as infrequent.) Usage patterns clearly vary wildly, here. :D
      - TeMPOraL 5y ago
        That's likely because you've incorporated the "phone battery dance" so strongly into your life, that you don't even notice it anymore. I agree with GP here - most adults (and teenagers) organize their day in part around keeping their phone charged.
    - chrismorgan 5y ago
      I have one phone that once got into a reboot loop: its battery was flat, so I’d provide it with a USB power source, it’d charge the battery for about five seconds, then it’d try to start up automatically (without me telling it to), but that would stop it charging the battery from which is all it seems to be willing to draw from at that stage of boot, so after another about five seconds it’d die of a flat battery again, then after another few seconds it’d recognise the power source and start the loop again. The entire cycle took about 17 seconds, like clockwork. Not sure quite why it went like that; historically it had been willing to charge from flat, and since then I think it is too, though I haven’t used it much for the last couple of years, and I can’t remember whether it normally powers on automatically in this case. I tried almost all combinations of four USB cables and five power sources (Surface Book, car with 12V → USB adapter, Surface Book AC adapter which has an additional USB outlet, Surface Dock, and a wall charger) before finding some combination that worked, not triggering the untimely and defective power-on.
- scld 5y ago
  A battery management IC will be able to discern a battery's health. Not saying you're wrong, but it could easily be the case that the iphone runs from wall power if it detects a healthy battery, but doesn't allow that if the battery is very dead.
- ReactiveJelly 5y ago
  I'm no EE, but I think Kirchoff's current law says something about that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchhoff%27s_circuit_laws#Kirchhoff's_current_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchhoff%27s_circuit_laws#Kir... The battery is either charging or discharging on net. I sometimes see colloquialisms like "The laptop isn't really running off AC power, the AC is charging the battery and the laptop is discharging it to run". I also see people say that it's bad to keep a phone or laptop on its charger all day, and I usually do that to no ill effect, so I stopped trusting common wisdom on batteries. When you get down to the cell level, each cell has 2 terminals, and it's either charging or discharging, right? Unless the charge circuit is doing some green-blue trick to charge half the cells and discharge the others, nothing that runs off a battery can be running AC "through" the battery. They taught us in A+ class that UPS' run power "through" the battery but I think it's objectively wrong. Especially if it's a lead-acid battery which I _know_ only has two terminals. You can draw a boundary around the battery and charging stuff and say, if 90 watts is going in and the computer is pulling 80 watts, the battery must be charging at 10 watts. If the computer is pulling 120 watts, the battery must be discharging at 30 watts. But there is not 90 watts of power flowing "through" the battery in either case. Adding a load just causes it to charge slower, or discharge instead of charging. It's probably true that the power supply only converts from mains to whatever the battery charger wants, and there's no path from mains to the load without going through the battery's voltage, but as other posters said, the reason you can't run some phones with a dead battery is more related to peak load. I have definitely owned mobile hardware that worked _pretty well_ without a battery, but worked better with a battery to smooth out load during startup or CPU load spikes.
  - LambdaComplex 5y ago
    Could you not have some sort of circuitry that causes the battery to be completely bypassed when AC is connected (Obviously the AC would be going through a power supply to convert it to DC of the proper voltage, but still)
    - zsmi 5y ago
      TI has a nice overview of how most of these systems work. https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slyt769/slyt769.pdf https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slyt769/slyt769.pdf Figure 1 shows the architecture pretty much everything uses. It's done this way because it's simple and effective. Basically ReactiveJelly has it right and there is KCL at a node that joins the DC output of the power adapter, the system and the battery. When the adapter is present, if the system draws more than the adapter can supply, the difference comes from the battery, discharging it. if the adapter can provide more than the system needs the difference goes to the battery, charging it. The main issue is modern systems can change their load way faster than the adapter can respond. Therefore it's up to the battery to make up the difference during these rapid transients preventing system shutdown. As long as it doesn't happen too much (and the system might choose to throttle to guarantee this if is not true) the battery charges on average. In the end the systems are a complicated thing because they are balancing: safety, battery lifetime, wanting to support many sizes of adapters, thermal considerations, charge time and system performance. And everyone has their own opinions on how to prioritize things.

8bitsrule 5y ago

Battery not removeable was a stopper since year one. (Why would anyone not want to wait for a charge?) A "nice" user feature would be a preference to self-throttle a step or two. Else it's like they think they own the phones you bought years ago... or don't trust their own developers to do it right.

emodendroket 5y ago
Besides the more obvious reasons, making the battery swappable would compromise other things like thickness, weight, waterproofing, and so on.
- Spooky23 5y ago
  Perhaps. I used to carry a rugged android that could be operated underwater or in the presence of some explosive gasses. It was a bit heavier, but it was also the equivalent to normal device with a rugged case. A company with the sophistication of industrial design like Apple could build a moderately more rugged device that would be very close to the existing iPhones. The real and obvious reason for Apples decisions is that both high margin extended warranties and cases for iPhones probably generate more income than the Mac.
  - emodendroket 5y ago
    A curious thing about consumer behavior is that they never report phone thickness being a top concern but in practice it is actually one of the top criteria by which they judge phones. Apple may benefit from planned obsolescence but they can (and do) just stop updating the software to achieve the same end. I suspect that if they made two versions of the iPhone, one like now and another along the lines you suggest, the current design would sell much better.
    - p2t2p 5y ago
      > they never report phone thickness being a top concern but in practice it is actually one of the top criteria by which they judge phones So much true. I'm on iPhone 12 Pro right now but I am always tempted to play with my Moto 5g Plus. It is quite a bit thinner or at least feels like that and it feels so much better in my hand.

ummonk 5y ago

> But, if my memory is good, when Apple was fined in France, it was shown that the throttling was performed without consideration for the battery state. So was done even with a new battery (or the power cord plugged) That doesn’t make any sense. It’s not throttling if that’s already what it’s like out of the box. Or is every manufacturer that doesn’t overclock the chips in its devices guilty of throttling?

vladvasiliu 5y ago

Meh, I don't know. I have one of those older iPhones (a 7) whose battery health went somewhat down (around 80% or below) and the phone felt kinda sluggish. I then disabled the "peak protection" or whatever it was called, and then it started randomly shutting down, while not being particularly smoother. It should be noted I don't use intensive apps, such as games. After I had the battery changed, everything went back to normal. Smooth, no random shutdowns, etc. And the battery change cost me a whopping 60 euros out the door at an Apple authorized service center (I even booked the repair through the Apple website). Now don't get me wrong, if I had the choice between a phone with or without a removable battery, I'd go for the former every time, even if it meant it would be bigger. Before the iPhone, I had a Galaxy S5 and I never had an issue with its thickness. But, in more practical terms, all the phones I had before the iPhone (Galaxy S 1, 3, 5) had removable batteries. The 1 I actually bought used, and it came with 2 spare batteries. The only reason those batteries saw any action was because I tried to use them from time to time to not let them die. Now cost-wise, by the end of the GS5's life, the battery started bulging and didn't last as long, so I was looking to buy a new one. A replacement Samsung battery costed 60 to 70 euros, the same price as the iPhone replacement battery, and indeed, most other phone batteries. So I wouldn't say Apple is gouging customers on this particular issue, at least not any more than other brands.

baby 5y ago
The reason the battery replacement is possible and cheap is because Apple was sued to oblivion due to these throttling issues.
- vladvasiliu 5y ago
  I'd be curious what the prices were before this lawsuit. [0] is a September, 2019 article from France, stating that prices went up to 55 euros for the iPhone 7 and similar models. Since I paid 60 one year ago, that means that the trend is upward, right? I've also seen somewhere (can't find it right now) that talks specifically about the throttling issue, and apparently this concerns a one-time battery replacement for 29 euros. This leads me to believe that the 60 euros I've paid were the "regular price", not some discount because of the lawsuit. But maybe prices have been brought down, broadly speaking, as a side effect. --- [0] https://www.igen.fr/iphone/2019/09/apple-augmente-le-prix-du-remplacement-de-la-batterie-hors-garantie-109923 https://www.igen.fr/iphone/2019/09/apple-augmente-le-prix-du...

f6v 5y ago

I think it has less to do with battery and more with each OS version packing more features and being more resource-hungry.

tsjq 5y ago
>and more with each OS version packing more features and being more resource-hungry. planned + designed obsolescence
- f6v 5y ago
  Nobody puts a gun to the head and says "Do a major OS update", right?
mnd999 5y ago
Always buy the model with the most RAM and it’ll last a long time. iPhone 6s (from 2015!) is still a perfectly functional phone.
- azekai 5y ago
  I am running a 6s, can confirm. Battery is a little thirsty, but it runs just fine.

greatgib 5y ago

There is also another point that I forgot, and that is a main point of the french fine I think. In itself, if explicitly warned and controlled by the user, throttling to work better with an old battery would not be so bad. But the thing is that, if your phone (or laptop) does not last long anymore on battery before shutting down, but otherwise works normally, you know that it is just the battery that is dead and that needs to be replaced. But, if the phone becomes slower/sluggish, most non tech users will think "my phone is slow because it is old, it's normal aging, so I need to change it with a new one". And worse, some will even think that their memory was wrong and that it is just that the new models are so fast and reactive that they realize how slow was their previous phone without them realizing. This makes me think about the case of Windows. It is well known that a computer with Windows will go slower and slower time after time as the system get messy. Based on that, I can't count the number of persons that I have met that were thinking of changing their computer for a new one because the old one "became slow because of its age". When the real solution was simply to reinstall Windows to have a fresh system!

zinekeller 5y ago
> This makes me think about the case of Windows. A certain graphics card manufacturer has claimed that graphics cards (in continual use) reduces their performance by around 10% each year. Of course, its a near-myth, only saved by the fact that certain components (like fans and the thermal interface on certain cards) loses their performance due to factors beyond their control. The solution is obviously to clean the damn thing.
- prox 5y ago
  That reminds me… Thanks!
- scns 5y ago
  And add new thermal paste, i can recommend Thermal Grizzlys' stuff. Disclaimer: contented customer
  - hug 5y ago

deergomoo 5y ago

> But, if my memory is good, when Apple was fined in France, it was shown that the throttling was performed without consideration for the battery state. So was done even with a new battery (or the power cord plugged) I don't think you're correct here. The way this behaviour was initially discovered was that a reddit user ran a benchmarking app before and after a battery replacement, showing a substantial increase to performance afterwards. It would not surprise me if this only applied to first party batteries, though I have no information one way or the other.

Abishek_Muthian 5y ago

I have couple of iDevices lying around in need of battery replacement, I decided to remove the bulged battery from iPad Air 2(for safety) and in the process destroyed the display, The ribbon cable tore like tissue paper) and cut my finger(I've been repairing my electronics all my life, this was the first time with Apple devices). My next plan was to order replacement display, batteries for that iPad and iPhone from iFixit but after a hard-thought I decided to not put any more money into this ecosystem and rather buy a PineTab (which cost cheaper than the replacement parts for the iDevices).

thebruce87m 5y ago

Your memory isn’t good, but there is a constant stream of misinformation regarding this so I don’t blame you. The issue was referred to as batterygate for a reason - it was entirely to do with battery condition.