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How is this even a debate, if you weren’t supposed to use it they wouldn’t pay extra to install seats with a reclining mechanism.

by rblatz 5y ago

vlovich123 5y ago
I recommend you listen to the conversation or read the book. It covers the authors’ theory that there are 6 basic views of ownership and that Rocky 50% of people when presented with this scenario take a very strong position for their preferred view even though it’s not necessarily more or less right objectively. Fascinating to see this in real-time ;)
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deadA1ias 5y ago
Just because something is legally available to you does not mean it is the right thing to do. A good example of this is one's right not to wear a mask; or ride your unmuffled motorcycle around the neighborhood at 2am. The list goes on...
- kook_throwaway 5y ago
  Unmuffled motorcycles at night break at least half a dozen laws at every level from local to federal. Masks were also mandated in most of the US. Not the greatest examples.
blunte 5y ago
Just because you are allowed to do something doesn't mean you should, or that it's your right to do if it infringes upon someone else's rights. Have you ever flow coach class overseas, and you want to sit upright, but the person in front of you decides to recline fully? The in-flight entertainment screen on the seat is now only about 8 inches in front of your face. Hell, if you have food and drink on your tray table, some of that is being pushed toward you by the now-angled back of the seat. Fuck you if you do that and don't care about the person behind you.
- fishtacos 5y ago
  You are aware that you can recline your seat back too and reclaim the exact same amount of space the front person "took" from you, right? Look - the simple matter of it is that this person paid for a seat on a plane. It comes with a reclining function. Some opt to use it, some don't. Simple as that. There is no need to get vulgar or mad at a basic function of a reclining seat - reclining.
  - switch007 5y ago
    Your car comes with a horn (a basic feature). You bet your ass I’m going to get vulgar and upset if you sit outside my house and blast it at 3am
    - fishtacos 5y ago
      Poor analogy. The horn is a safety feature, and of course basic, as it serves as a warning mechanism. In addition, if you live in a civilized area and not the wild west, you should be calling the authorities, not cause further troubles via getting "vulgar and upset". The reclining seat on an airplane is designed to be reclined - it has 2 modes: upright and reclined, at the passenger's preference. Its usage is not a safety feature, it's an option built into it and the price you pay for the ticket. If you are bothered by it, you can always recline your seat and reclaim your space. Literally.
  - blunte 5y ago
    That space behind me is not useful to me. My food is still crammed up in the < wedge of the now-greatly-slanted back seat and horizontal tray table. My in flight entertainment screen is now angled down, playing a movie for my belly rather than my eyes. I cannot open a laptop, because that "relcaimed" space behind me is not the same type of space and is frankly useless to me. Your argument is why humanity is becoming less civil and intelligent. People aren't thinking. One person shouts, so everyone around him shouts. Now everyone is shouting. The correct answer would have been for the loud moron to speak at a lower volume. And finally, your argument fails because the last seat in the airplane usually cannot recline. So if you want to be fair, that precludes the person in front of him from reclining, and so on to the front of the plane.
TeMPOraL 5y ago
> if you weren’t supposed to use it they wouldn’t pay extra to install seats with a reclining mechanism Of course they would, if being able to say they have this option in their marketing materials increased sales enough to cover for the expense. Be under no illusion that they care about your comfort, or even that there are seats and airplanes involved in their business. They're showing time and again that it's just an optimization problem for getting money out of people; that it happens to be air travel is incidental.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  I'm so confused that you got downvoted. It should be obvious that they paid the money because they profit from it. It should also be obvious that they would want that profit whether or not you're supposed to use it.
jjav 5y ago
> How is this even a debate, if you weren’t supposed to use it they wouldn’t pay extra to install seats with a reclining mechanism. Exactly, there's really no question here. The feature is installed to be used.

How is this even a debate, if you weren’t supposed to use it they wouldn’t pay extra to install seats with a reclining mechanism.

by rblatz 5y ago

How is this even a debate, if you weren’t supposed to use it they wouldn’t pay extra to install seats with a reclining mechanism.

vlovich123 5y ago

I recommend you listen to the conversation or read the book. It covers the authors’ theory that there are 6 basic views of ownership and that Rocky 50% of people when presented with this scenario take a very strong position for their preferred view even though it’s not necessarily more or less right objectively. Fascinating to see this in real-time ;)

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deadA1ias 5y ago

Just because something is legally available to you does not mean it is the right thing to do. A good example of this is one's right not to wear a mask; or ride your unmuffled motorcycle around the neighborhood at 2am. The list goes on...

kook_throwaway 5y ago
Unmuffled motorcycles at night break at least half a dozen laws at every level from local to federal. Masks were also mandated in most of the US. Not the greatest examples.

blunte 5y ago

Just because you are allowed to do something doesn't mean you should, or that it's your right to do if it infringes upon someone else's rights. Have you ever flow coach class overseas, and you want to sit upright, but the person in front of you decides to recline fully? The in-flight entertainment screen on the seat is now only about 8 inches in front of your face. Hell, if you have food and drink on your tray table, some of that is being pushed toward you by the now-angled back of the seat. Fuck you if you do that and don't care about the person behind you.

fishtacos 5y ago
You are aware that you can recline your seat back too and reclaim the exact same amount of space the front person "took" from you, right? Look - the simple matter of it is that this person paid for a seat on a plane. It comes with a reclining function. Some opt to use it, some don't. Simple as that. There is no need to get vulgar or mad at a basic function of a reclining seat - reclining.
- switch007 5y ago
  Your car comes with a horn (a basic feature). You bet your ass I’m going to get vulgar and upset if you sit outside my house and blast it at 3am
  - fishtacos 5y ago
    Poor analogy. The horn is a safety feature, and of course basic, as it serves as a warning mechanism. In addition, if you live in a civilized area and not the wild west, you should be calling the authorities, not cause further troubles via getting "vulgar and upset". The reclining seat on an airplane is designed to be reclined - it has 2 modes: upright and reclined, at the passenger's preference. Its usage is not a safety feature, it's an option built into it and the price you pay for the ticket. If you are bothered by it, you can always recline your seat and reclaim your space. Literally.
- blunte 5y ago
  That space behind me is not useful to me. My food is still crammed up in the < wedge of the now-greatly-slanted back seat and horizontal tray table. My in flight entertainment screen is now angled down, playing a movie for my belly rather than my eyes. I cannot open a laptop, because that "relcaimed" space behind me is not the same type of space and is frankly useless to me. Your argument is why humanity is becoming less civil and intelligent. People aren't thinking. One person shouts, so everyone around him shouts. Now everyone is shouting. The correct answer would have been for the loud moron to speak at a lower volume. And finally, your argument fails because the last seat in the airplane usually cannot recline. So if you want to be fair, that precludes the person in front of him from reclining, and so on to the front of the plane.

TeMPOraL 5y ago

> if you weren’t supposed to use it they wouldn’t pay extra to install seats with a reclining mechanism Of course they would, if being able to say they have this option in their marketing materials increased sales enough to cover for the expense. Be under no illusion that they care about your comfort, or even that there are seats and airplanes involved in their business. They're showing time and again that it's just an optimization problem for getting money out of people; that it happens to be air travel is incidental.

Dylan16807 5y ago
I'm so confused that you got downvoted. It should be obvious that they paid the money because they profit from it. It should also be obvious that they would want that profit whether or not you're supposed to use it.

jjav 5y ago

> How is this even a debate, if you weren’t supposed to use it they wouldn’t pay extra to install seats with a reclining mechanism. Exactly, there's really no question here. The feature is installed to be used.