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False Polyanna-ism is far, far worse than sober rational, scientific assessment!! Life isn't fair. Life isn't nice. Mother Nature doesn't give a Frig about h
by xyzzy21 5y ago
False Polyanna-ism is far, far worse than sober rational, scientific assessment!!
Life isn't fair. Life isn't nice.
Mother Nature doesn't give a Frig about humans or you individually. We are expendable and NOT the center of the universe. See George Carlins "The Planet is Fine" because that's reality.
Innovation takes time. 20 years minimum but 90% of all "ideas" NEVER make to reality because they are poorly thought-out "hopium" rather than science or engineering.
Flying is NOTHING like this because this is primary nature rather than technology or engineering. Seriously how is that not clear?!
In terms of technology: look up "entropy" and the energy required to overcome it. CO2 in the air already is at maximal entropy so it takes ENORMOUS amounts of energy to grab at scarce CO2 molecules diluted among a see of N2/O2.
http://www.chem1.com/acad/webtext/thermeq/TE4B.html http://www.chem1.com/acad/webtext/thermeq/TE4B.html
The Gibbs energy of dilution has to be provided to reverse and extract the CO2. The C2/C1 ratio is literally 420 ppm or 420/1,000,000.
This is why the ONLY practical means is to get the CO2 BEFORE it's in the atmosphere. Whatever is already there will take a very long time (700 years apparently - but where are you REALISTICALLY going to the energy for the duration - if you say Green, you are full of shit because you are ignoring the actual supply chains for making that Green technology and whether any of that breaks even, energy-wise).
The most effective solution is plants; it will still take dozens if not hundreds of millennia.
- nebula8804 5y agoWhat about these startups getting real investment from people like Bill Gates and (soon) Elon Musk? Companies like Carbon Engineering seem to have some method of extracting co2 from the atmosphere using some sort of catalyst I think. They are working on a 1 megaton per year pilot plant. Yes it is peanuts but it is a start. [1]: https://carbonengineering.com/ https://carbonengineering.com/
- Dylan16807 5y agoDo you have numbers for that? If I found the right equations to use, the entropy from CO2 being diluted into the atmosphere is a bit over 400 joules per gram. Burning enough carbon to produce a gram of CO2 releases 9000 joules. So if we assume we have to undo combustion to store CO2, the entropy factor only makes it 5% harder. If we assume we don't have to undo combustion to store CO2, then we could use oil to fuel the process and get up to 20 grams captured for each gram produced. Did I do the math wrong? Isolating CO2 is really bothersome but as far as I know it's not the raw thermodynamic factors that have the most impact.