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> Most are vaccinated, but they're still taking a risk Pre pandemic they took a risk every day as well, so it's a matter of acceptable risk, which I believe is

> Most are vaccinated, but they're still taking a risk Pre pandemic they took a risk every day as well, so it's a matter of acceptable risk, which I believe is what the article was focused on. What level of risk is that?

jfengel 5y ago
That existing risk was already at the limit of acceptability. New risk being added on pushes many past that limit. It's made worse by the fact that this additional risk is being left out of the discussion so often. People talk about what's good for the children and their parents and the economy, but not about what the teachers need. They're being treated as disposable, which exacerbates the perception of risk further. Discussions about school openings that ignore a critical factor are not going to result in what people hope for.
- rajin444 5y ago
  So 0 covid is the only answer? I don't think 0 covid is possible. We would need vaccines that provide sterilizing immunity for that.
- chki 5y ago
  > That existing risk was already at the limit of acceptability. Do you actually thinks so? I've never heard that aspiring teachers are thinking about their increased risk to illnesses, especially since many have children of their own and are exposed to an increased risk by children anyway.
- tomp 5y ago
  > That existing risk was already at the limit of acceptability. Nobody forced them to become teachers.
  - jfengel 5y ago
    And nobody is forcing them to remain teachers. With the rise in gun violence at schools, teachers have had to undertake additional training for scenarios that they had not priced in their initial decisions. They did not like that, and they like even less being ignored in the discussion of whether or not to open schools. So a great number will not remain teachers if they do not feel like they're part of the decision. They're used to being told to "do it for the children", but there are limits, and this will push many past them.
    - nradov 5y ago
      Gun violence in schools is extremely rare. Students and teachers are far more likely to die in vehicle accidents traveling to and from school. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/11/lockdown-drills-an-american-quirk-out-control/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/11/lockdown-...

jfengel 5y ago

That existing risk was already at the limit of acceptability. New risk being added on pushes many past that limit. It's made worse by the fact that this additional risk is being left out of the discussion so often. People talk about what's good for the children and their parents and the economy, but not about what the teachers need. They're being treated as disposable, which exacerbates the perception of risk further. Discussions about school openings that ignore a critical factor are not going to result in what people hope for.

rajin444 5y ago
So 0 covid is the only answer? I don't think 0 covid is possible. We would need vaccines that provide sterilizing immunity for that.
chki 5y ago
> That existing risk was already at the limit of acceptability. Do you actually thinks so? I've never heard that aspiring teachers are thinking about their increased risk to illnesses, especially since many have children of their own and are exposed to an increased risk by children anyway.
tomp 5y ago
> That existing risk was already at the limit of acceptability. Nobody forced them to become teachers.
- jfengel 5y ago
  And nobody is forcing them to remain teachers. With the rise in gun violence at schools, teachers have had to undertake additional training for scenarios that they had not priced in their initial decisions. They did not like that, and they like even less being ignored in the discussion of whether or not to open schools. So a great number will not remain teachers if they do not feel like they're part of the decision. They're used to being told to "do it for the children", but there are limits, and this will push many past them.
  - nradov 5y ago
    Gun violence in schools is extremely rare. Students and teachers are far more likely to die in vehicle accidents traveling to and from school. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/11/lockdown-drills-an-american-quirk-out-control/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/11/lockdown-...