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>That's why I don't really understand why there are still covid restrictions in countries that are close to full vaccination, like the UK. There isn't really a

>That's why I don't really understand why there are still covid restrictions in countries that are close to full vaccination, like the UK. There isn't really a next step after having vaccinated the population, it is "steady state". So do they want us to have these restrictions (countries you can't travel to, endless testing, mask requirements) forever? Our government loves to pat themselves on the back having 80% vaccination. Which is more than double the usual flu shot rates. Yet here we are with a 4th wave, talk about complete lockdown. At what point do you say that our approach is no different than the usual flu season? In my opinion that was long ago. So why? Technically don't know the answer. You can look at it from liberties point of view. That the reason these restrictions haven't lifted has nothing to do with covid. Another theory which seems legit. Vaccine doesnt work. If you follow texas gov abbot. TONS of articles slamming him for getting covid. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/17/texas-gov-abbott-who-banned-mask-mandates-tests-positive-for-covid.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/17/texas-gov-abbott-who-banned-... Texas Gov. Abbott, who banned mask and vaccine mandates, tests positive for Covid But wait... Abbott is fully vaccinated. That's a huge issue. You can't slam him banning masks and all that. Vaccination is vaccination. Article title should be "Texas Gov. Abbott, who is fully vaccinated, tests positive for Covid" But that's where the politics of the situation come in. It's very evident covid-19 is completely influenced by politics. Which brings you right back to liberties point of view.

chitowneats 5y ago
Greg Abbot even received a booster shot prior to infection. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/texas-gov-greg-abbott-tests-positive-covid-n1277021 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/texas-gov-gre...
dragonwriter 5y ago
> But wait... Abbott is fully vaccinated. That's a huge issue. No, its not. While the rates are somewhat higher with Delta, breakthrough infections were always expected. The accines reduce the probability of getting COVID with similar exposure, they don't 100% prevent it. > You can't slam him banning masks and all that. Yes, you can. Even if schools weren't full of unvaccinated people, which they are, the existence of breakthrough infections would underline why banning mask mandates is a culpablr error.
- sleepysysadmin 5y ago
  >No, its not. While the rates are somewhat higher with Delta, breakthrough infections were always expected. The accines reduce the probability of getting COVID with similar exposure, they don't 100% prevent it. That's not my understanding, I'm in IT and not a biologist or whatever. So perhaps you can explain to me. A vaccine is something that boosts/helps the immune system develop protection against the disease. Measles vaccine means nobody got measles until antivaxers started spreading measles. Yes there can be a portion of society which does not have an immune system for the vaccine to help or boost and therefore the vaccines aren't useful and doesn't work. Percentages will change per country/society. However, someone fully vaccinated in my mind is someone who is never going to be infectious. Therefore prevents it. >Yes, you can. Even if schools weren't full of unvaccinated people, which they are, the existence of breakthrough infections would underline why banning mask mandates is a culpablr error. The problem with covid is that it clearly divides directly down political lines. Perhaps Texas guy is politically motivated and making bad decisions. The problem is the opposite as well. CNBC is clearly attacking when it's clearly unreasonable to do so. I have no pity at all for anti-vaxxers who get covid. I'm not in the USA, nor do I care about Texas.
  - raesene9 5y ago
    Also not a biologist, but on the point of vaccines and whether they prevent the disease full-stop or just reduce the risk of serious illness, that's covered in the article. My synopsis of that was that it was not expected (by the developers of the vaccines) that it would prevent people getting the illness, but that it would considerably reduce the risk of serious infection. Some early trial results raised hopes that it would prevent people getting it, but with Delta that's not been borne out. That said, in addition to reducing the risk of serious cases, it does also help reduce transmission as vaccinated people who get it, generally have less serious cases, which mean they are infectious for a smaller amount of time.
- jdhn 5y ago
  > breakthrough infections were always expected That isn’t the way it was portrayed. The way that it was initially portrayed by the media is that these would be 99% effective and that after getting the vaccine you could go back to normal.
lamontcg 5y ago
> Vaccine doesnt work. 80% vaccine efficacy. We were hoping for 50% so that's actually pretty good. This is on par with "we had a snowstorm so climate change isn't real" levels of logic. Abbott has a mild case and isn't sucking on ventilator.
- sleepysysadmin 5y ago
  >80% vaccine efficacy. We were hoping for 50% so that's actually pretty good. CDC says 94% efficacy. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7018e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7018e1.htm Immunocompromise is 6%. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/blog/immunocompromised-people-are-vulnerable-to-covid-19-we-owe-them-some-answers https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/blog/immunocompromised-... - Estimates are that about 6.2 percent of adults ages 18-64 in the U.S. are living with weakened immune function, The vaccine is 100% effective for healthy fully vax people. That 6% is concerning and will differ amount countries im sure. >This is on par with "we had a snowstorm so climate change isn't real" levels of logic. I find your analogy to be very telling. You have moved to another political issue that is quite divided along the same political lines. >Abbott has a mild case and isn't sucking on ventilator. Does abbott have a compromised immune system? Shrug? Should we even discuss the possibility that covid testing has high false positive testing? That Abbott never had covid and his more recent tests only days later he tested negative.
  - lamontcg 5y ago
    > CDC says 94% efficacy. Published in May, using data from Jan-Mar. Delta didn't exist. > I find your analogy to be very telling. You have moved to another political issue that is quite divided along the same political lines. I mean, yes. Science has become politicized and one side of the debate keeps making poor arguments. > Abbott never had covid and his more recent tests only days later he tested negative. He's vaccinated. Ct loads of viral mRNA drop more sharply if you've been vaccinated. Having it clear fast is expected. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v...

chitowneats 5y ago

Greg Abbot even received a booster shot prior to infection. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/texas-gov-greg-abbott-tests-positive-covid-n1277021 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/texas-gov-gre...

dragonwriter 5y ago

> But wait... Abbott is fully vaccinated. That's a huge issue. No, its not. While the rates are somewhat higher with Delta, breakthrough infections were always expected. The accines reduce the probability of getting COVID with similar exposure, they don't 100% prevent it. > You can't slam him banning masks and all that. Yes, you can. Even if schools weren't full of unvaccinated people, which they are, the existence of breakthrough infections would underline why banning mask mandates is a culpablr error.

sleepysysadmin 5y ago
>No, its not. While the rates are somewhat higher with Delta, breakthrough infections were always expected. The accines reduce the probability of getting COVID with similar exposure, they don't 100% prevent it. That's not my understanding, I'm in IT and not a biologist or whatever. So perhaps you can explain to me. A vaccine is something that boosts/helps the immune system develop protection against the disease. Measles vaccine means nobody got measles until antivaxers started spreading measles. Yes there can be a portion of society which does not have an immune system for the vaccine to help or boost and therefore the vaccines aren't useful and doesn't work. Percentages will change per country/society. However, someone fully vaccinated in my mind is someone who is never going to be infectious. Therefore prevents it. >Yes, you can. Even if schools weren't full of unvaccinated people, which they are, the existence of breakthrough infections would underline why banning mask mandates is a culpablr error. The problem with covid is that it clearly divides directly down political lines. Perhaps Texas guy is politically motivated and making bad decisions. The problem is the opposite as well. CNBC is clearly attacking when it's clearly unreasonable to do so. I have no pity at all for anti-vaxxers who get covid. I'm not in the USA, nor do I care about Texas.
- raesene9 5y ago
  Also not a biologist, but on the point of vaccines and whether they prevent the disease full-stop or just reduce the risk of serious illness, that's covered in the article. My synopsis of that was that it was not expected (by the developers of the vaccines) that it would prevent people getting the illness, but that it would considerably reduce the risk of serious infection. Some early trial results raised hopes that it would prevent people getting it, but with Delta that's not been borne out. That said, in addition to reducing the risk of serious cases, it does also help reduce transmission as vaccinated people who get it, generally have less serious cases, which mean they are infectious for a smaller amount of time.
jdhn 5y ago
> breakthrough infections were always expected That isn’t the way it was portrayed. The way that it was initially portrayed by the media is that these would be 99% effective and that after getting the vaccine you could go back to normal.

lamontcg 5y ago

> Vaccine doesnt work. 80% vaccine efficacy. We were hoping for 50% so that's actually pretty good. This is on par with "we had a snowstorm so climate change isn't real" levels of logic. Abbott has a mild case and isn't sucking on ventilator.

sleepysysadmin 5y ago
>80% vaccine efficacy. We were hoping for 50% so that's actually pretty good. CDC says 94% efficacy. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7018e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7018e1.htm Immunocompromise is 6%. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/blog/immunocompromised-people-are-vulnerable-to-covid-19-we-owe-them-some-answers https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/blog/immunocompromised-... - Estimates are that about 6.2 percent of adults ages 18-64 in the U.S. are living with weakened immune function, The vaccine is 100% effective for healthy fully vax people. That 6% is concerning and will differ amount countries im sure. >This is on par with "we had a snowstorm so climate change isn't real" levels of logic. I find your analogy to be very telling. You have moved to another political issue that is quite divided along the same political lines. >Abbott has a mild case and isn't sucking on ventilator. Does abbott have a compromised immune system? Shrug? Should we even discuss the possibility that covid testing has high false positive testing? That Abbott never had covid and his more recent tests only days later he tested negative.
- lamontcg 5y ago
  > CDC says 94% efficacy. Published in May, using data from Jan-Mar. Delta didn't exist. > I find your analogy to be very telling. You have moved to another political issue that is quite divided along the same political lines. I mean, yes. Science has become politicized and one side of the debate keeps making poor arguments. > Abbott never had covid and his more recent tests only days later he tested negative. He's vaccinated. Ct loads of viral mRNA drop more sharply if you've been vaccinated. Having it clear fast is expected. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v...