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It's not about children getting it and being ill, it's about children getting it and spreading it. This is the concept behind 'herd immunity'. If we can cut the

It's not about children getting it and being ill, it's about children getting it and spreading it. This is the concept behind 'herd immunity'. If we can cut the chain, we mitigate older and people with weakened immune systems from getting it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

Expirat 5y ago
> It's not about children getting it and being ill, it's about children getting it and spreading it. Vaccinated people can still get ill and spread it so why do you keep pushing vaccines to children who have no risk whatsoever if the vulnerable groups have been vaccinated and are safe??
cm2187 5y ago
But if vaccinated people are also spreading it, I don't get the point of waiting for kids to be vaccinated. The population at risk being vaccinated was the big deal, but that's done now (apart from those who refuse to be vaccinated, but then it is their problem).
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > Bit if vaccinated people are also spreading it They are less likely to be infected, and it looks like they have a shorter infectious period. Herd immunity may be achievable with this in mind, but no one really knows right now. New variants may change the calculus too.
  - nradov 5y ago
    The Delta variant is contagious enough that we'll never achieve a level of herd immunity sufficient to protect unvaccinated people. All of us will be infected eventually, it's basically inevitable. Fortunately the vaccines are very effective at preventing deaths. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      This presumes we can't tweak boosters to better target Delta, which seems like a silly assumption.
- brown9-2 5y ago
  > But if vaccinated people are also spreading it It is not a binary 0 or 1 as far as if vaccinated people will spread the infection if they are infected. The vaccine lowers the chances, so the more people we can get vaccinated, the lower the chances can get.
hutzlibu 5y ago
Yes, but parent poster wrote: "Any talk of lifting restrictions before march is basically a re-formulated "fuck the kids"." which is not honest in my opinion. The kids so far have suffered the most from corona - no school, no friends - no activities - yet had the least, to fear from it. So vaccinating the kids is not really about saving the kids - it is about the older population.
colordrops 5y ago
Did you already forget the comment that started this thread? This is assuming the rest of the population is vaccinated.
rajamaka 5y ago
Older people can get vaccinated

Expirat 5y ago

> It's not about children getting it and being ill, it's about children getting it and spreading it. Vaccinated people can still get ill and spread it so why do you keep pushing vaccines to children who have no risk whatsoever if the vulnerable groups have been vaccinated and are safe??

cm2187 5y ago

But if vaccinated people are also spreading it, I don't get the point of waiting for kids to be vaccinated. The population at risk being vaccinated was the big deal, but that's done now (apart from those who refuse to be vaccinated, but then it is their problem).

ceejayoz 5y ago
> Bit if vaccinated people are also spreading it They are less likely to be infected, and it looks like they have a shorter infectious period. Herd immunity may be achievable with this in mind, but no one really knows right now. New variants may change the calculus too.
- nradov 5y ago
  The Delta variant is contagious enough that we'll never achieve a level of herd immunity sufficient to protect unvaccinated people. All of us will be infected eventually, it's basically inevitable. Fortunately the vaccines are very effective at preventing deaths. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    This presumes we can't tweak boosters to better target Delta, which seems like a silly assumption.
brown9-2 5y ago
> But if vaccinated people are also spreading it It is not a binary 0 or 1 as far as if vaccinated people will spread the infection if they are infected. The vaccine lowers the chances, so the more people we can get vaccinated, the lower the chances can get.

hutzlibu 5y ago

Yes, but parent poster wrote: "Any talk of lifting restrictions before march is basically a re-formulated "fuck the kids"." which is not honest in my opinion. The kids so far have suffered the most from corona - no school, no friends - no activities - yet had the least, to fear from it. So vaccinating the kids is not really about saving the kids - it is about the older population.

colordrops 5y ago

Did you already forget the comment that started this thread? This is assuming the rest of the population is vaccinated.

rajamaka 5y ago

Older people can get vaccinated