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Yes, it used to be much more optimistic and less cynical.

by nickff 5y ago

sillysaurusx 5y ago
As someone who was here since day two of the public launch, I'm not sure how true this is. It's true the conversation has changed, but less cynical? More optimistic? The cynicism and optimism seems to have stayed more or less constant. The quality of conversation is the problem. Luckily, quality tends to bubble to the top, barring manual intervention that occasionally makes a few (few) mistakes. So far. The extremes are true: I've increasingly felt that people here are disconnected from reality in a way not seen in previous years. I'm not quite sure how to put it into words, and it deserves a substantive eloquence beyond my capabilities at the moment.
- teatree 5y ago
  Are there any places similar to HN on the internet where one can find high quality, non political, non religious, non news conversations?
  - systemvoltage 5y ago
    Head over to lobste.rs, not much activity but it fits your description. HN's political discourse has been quite unpleasant since last couple of years. Used to be quite a gamut of perspectives, now it is completely lopsided.
    - nickff 5y ago
      The political downvoting has also increased dramatically.
    - pbhjpbhj 5y ago
      Worth noting you have to be invited to join Lobste.rs (by a current member). I'm not one, but the discussions there are often interesting - IME about half the stories I've seen here first and on those stories in general the Lobsters threads are a bit more technical and a bit more focused. I quite like the 'what are you doing this weekend threads' it feels very small-community-like. [But that might just be that I've often felt a lack of tech community - as an example, I've used Linux for >20 years and don't have anyone in my life I could have a conversation about it with like you might chat to a neighbour/friend about pruning a tree or fixing your car.]
    - skinkestek 5y ago
      > HN's political discourse has been quite unpleasant since last couple of years. Here we totally disagree. Before people used to be banned without explanation, some views would be downvoted heavily etc. Today it is better: there is even room for republican voices as long as they are reasonable. And yes, I've been here over a decade.
- codemonkey-zeta 5y ago
  "I think we're more cynical" "I think we're less" "I'd say it's the same" It should be pretty straightforward to actually figure this out by sampling posts from different HN "eras" and doing sentiment analysis. What's the standard practice for sentiment analysis these days?
- Isamu 5y ago
  Agreed. > I've increasingly felt that people here are disconnected from reality in a way not seen in previous years. Well, I don’t think that is surprising given the rise of popularity of HN. The early days had people interested in startups, and hence their virtues, and later came a large crowd that had some interest in tech but had random alignments. I feel that human beliefs form a distribution where almost anything will believed by someone, and if you gather a large enough crowd you can find a large cohort that will earnestly believe various nonsense things.

Yes, it used to be much more optimistic and less cynical.

by nickff 5y ago

Yes, it used to be much more optimistic and less cynical.

As someone who was here since day two of the public launch, I'm not sure how true this is. It's true the conversation has changed, but less cynical? More optimistic? The cynicism and optimism seems to have stayed more or less constant. The quality of conversation is the problem. Luckily, quality tends to bubble to the top, barring manual intervention that occasionally makes a few (few) mistakes. So far. The extremes are true: I've increasingly felt that people here are disconnected from reality in a way not seen in previous years. I'm not quite sure how to put it into words, and it deserves a substantive eloquence beyond my capabilities at the moment.

teatree 5y ago
Are there any places similar to HN on the internet where one can find high quality, non political, non religious, non news conversations?
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  Head over to lobste.rs, not much activity but it fits your description. HN's political discourse has been quite unpleasant since last couple of years. Used to be quite a gamut of perspectives, now it is completely lopsided.
  - nickff 5y ago
    The political downvoting has also increased dramatically.
  - pbhjpbhj 5y ago
    Worth noting you have to be invited to join Lobste.rs (by a current member). I'm not one, but the discussions there are often interesting - IME about half the stories I've seen here first and on those stories in general the Lobsters threads are a bit more technical and a bit more focused. I quite like the 'what are you doing this weekend threads' it feels very small-community-like. [But that might just be that I've often felt a lack of tech community - as an example, I've used Linux for >20 years and don't have anyone in my life I could have a conversation about it with like you might chat to a neighbour/friend about pruning a tree or fixing your car.]
  - skinkestek 5y ago
    > HN's political discourse has been quite unpleasant since last couple of years. Here we totally disagree. Before people used to be banned without explanation, some views would be downvoted heavily etc. Today it is better: there is even room for republican voices as long as they are reasonable. And yes, I've been here over a decade.
codemonkey-zeta 5y ago
"I think we're more cynical" "I think we're less" "I'd say it's the same" It should be pretty straightforward to actually figure this out by sampling posts from different HN "eras" and doing sentiment analysis. What's the standard practice for sentiment analysis these days?
Isamu 5y ago
Agreed. > I've increasingly felt that people here are disconnected from reality in a way not seen in previous years. Well, I don’t think that is surprising given the rise of popularity of HN. The early days had people interested in startups, and hence their virtues, and later came a large crowd that had some interest in tech but had random alignments. I feel that human beliefs form a distribution where almost anything will believed by someone, and if you gather a large enough crowd you can find a large cohort that will earnestly believe various nonsense things.