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This is a new development, please don't try to suppress news.

slownews45 5y ago
I'm not trying to suppress news. There have been a ton of letters, calls to action, complaints and outrage about apple's actions. Many of the conversations are HIGHLY repetitive. I would strongly urge folks to review past discussions before re-hashing things (again) or focus on new elements. And these headlines "Global Coalition"? I hope folks realize there is also a "global coalition" of governments that are working to do much more to get access to your information. Australia, China, the EU (yes, go on about GDPR but actual privacy - forget about it), UK etc. There may also be a "global coalition" of users who like apple's products. A better headline is EFF writes open letter with 90 other civil liberties groups to Tim Cook? Edited to list prior topics on HN about this: Apple's plan to “think different” about encryption opens a backdoor to your life EFF: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/apples-plan-think-different-about-encryption-opens-backdoor-your-private-life https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/apples-plan-think-diff... 2260 points|bbatsell|16 days ago|824 comments Apple Has Opened the Backdoor to Increased Surveillance and Censorship EFF: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/if-you-build-it-they-will-come-apple-has-opened-backdoor-increased-surveillance https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/if-you-build-it-they-w... 618 points|taxyovio|10 days ago|303 comments Tell Apple: Don’t Scan Our Phones EFF: https://act.eff.org/action/tell-apple-don-t-scan-our-phones https://act.eff.org/action/tell-apple-don-t-scan-our-phones 161 points|sunrise54|4 days ago|30 comments Is EFF opposition really new news? I've also noticed this weird forumulation more often. "Please stop xxxx" rather than an actual discussion of a topic. Ironic to try and suppress a conversation by claiming someone elses comments are suppression?
- jdjd6 5y ago
  Please don't point out that using the word "please" someone can pseudo politely insinuate that their opinion is correct and anything you say is wrong.
- stingraycharles 5y ago
  I think it’s important to distinguish the comments from the submission. I agree the comments are mostly repetitive, but the submissions do, in fact, cover newsworthy facts that should not be dismissed.
  - slownews45 5y ago
    This is the forth or more piece about the EFF objecting to Apple's work. I was just mentioning - maybe it's worth reading the comments on the FOUR prior articles about this EXACT entity complaining about Apple (ignoring the other 30+ HN posts on this) for this specific issue. This is not "suppressing the news".
    - istingray 5y ago
      Your question is valid. People out of the loop need a way to catch up. I create this account explicitly because of this new feature. I've been posting constantly about it. If there's a new article on this I will try (and encourage others) to post such a summary as you did at the top of the article for anyone who hasn't been following. Open to any questions you have about this from a "how do I catch up" perspective.
- mlosgoodat 5y ago
  If the human element to this story was “cat gifs”, you might have a point. The human element here is “world governments and multinational corps beholden to nobody want to insert the first of possibly many back doors into your emotional life” Sit down. You’re just looking for attention for your ability to notice a basic pattern.
  - slownews45 5y ago
    I find it very ironic that the people complaining about "suppressing news" or "violation of rights" are writing comments along the lines of sit down and shut up.
    - mlosgoodat 5y ago
      “Person on internet can perform basic arithmetic, demonstrates by counting instances of repeat content.” is a headline that: 1) we’ve seen over and over 2) adds little to the context at hand You’re not wrong. You’re late to the game spotting patterns of reposting (it happens deal with it for yourself) and undermining the context (putting it on others to do better by your expectations.) You have a body and mind that can be trained to find and reflect on more interesting patterns and ideas. Have at it. Don’t bemoan all of reality not conforming to your current state of cognitive awareness
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      They're not telling you to stop any meaningful discussion about the issues.
    - el_ravager 5y ago
      Your comments aren't news and we aren't the government suppressing your speech, so I'm not sure what you're going on about.
istingray 5y ago
Dessant, this is a bad take. Encourage others out of the loop by pointing them in the right direction. Done properly it will improve and enable new discussion.

I'm not trying to suppress news. There have been a ton of letters, calls to action, complaints and outrage about apple's actions. Many of the conversations are HIGHLY repetitive. I would strongly urge folks to review past discussions before re-hashing things (again) or focus on new elements. And these headlines "Global Coalition"? I hope folks realize there is also a "global coalition" of governments that are working to do much more to get access to your information. Australia, China, the EU (yes, go on about GDPR but actual privacy - forget about it), UK etc. There may also be a "global coalition" of users who like apple's products. A better headline is EFF writes open letter with 90 other civil liberties groups to Tim Cook? Edited to list prior topics on HN about this: Apple's plan to “think different” about encryption opens a backdoor to your life EFF: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/apples-plan-think-different-about-encryption-opens-backdoor-your-private-life https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/apples-plan-think-diff... 2260 points|bbatsell|16 days ago|824 comments Apple Has Opened the Backdoor to Increased Surveillance and Censorship EFF: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/if-you-build-it-they-will-come-apple-has-opened-backdoor-increased-surveillance https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/if-you-build-it-they-w... 618 points|taxyovio|10 days ago|303 comments Tell Apple: Don’t Scan Our Phones EFF: https://act.eff.org/action/tell-apple-don-t-scan-our-phones https://act.eff.org/action/tell-apple-don-t-scan-our-phones 161 points|sunrise54|4 days ago|30 comments Is EFF opposition really new news? I've also noticed this weird forumulation more often. "Please stop xxxx" rather than an actual discussion of a topic. Ironic to try and suppress a conversation by claiming someone elses comments are suppression?

jdjd6 5y ago
Please don't point out that using the word "please" someone can pseudo politely insinuate that their opinion is correct and anything you say is wrong.
stingraycharles 5y ago
I think it’s important to distinguish the comments from the submission. I agree the comments are mostly repetitive, but the submissions do, in fact, cover newsworthy facts that should not be dismissed.
- slownews45 5y ago
  This is the forth or more piece about the EFF objecting to Apple's work. I was just mentioning - maybe it's worth reading the comments on the FOUR prior articles about this EXACT entity complaining about Apple (ignoring the other 30+ HN posts on this) for this specific issue. This is not "suppressing the news".
  - istingray 5y ago
    Your question is valid. People out of the loop need a way to catch up. I create this account explicitly because of this new feature. I've been posting constantly about it. If there's a new article on this I will try (and encourage others) to post such a summary as you did at the top of the article for anyone who hasn't been following. Open to any questions you have about this from a "how do I catch up" perspective.
mlosgoodat 5y ago
If the human element to this story was “cat gifs”, you might have a point. The human element here is “world governments and multinational corps beholden to nobody want to insert the first of possibly many back doors into your emotional life” Sit down. You’re just looking for attention for your ability to notice a basic pattern.
- slownews45 5y ago
  I find it very ironic that the people complaining about "suppressing news" or "violation of rights" are writing comments along the lines of sit down and shut up.
  - mlosgoodat 5y ago
    “Person on internet can perform basic arithmetic, demonstrates by counting instances of repeat content.” is a headline that: 1) we’ve seen over and over 2) adds little to the context at hand You’re not wrong. You’re late to the game spotting patterns of reposting (it happens deal with it for yourself) and undermining the context (putting it on others to do better by your expectations.) You have a body and mind that can be trained to find and reflect on more interesting patterns and ideas. Have at it. Don’t bemoan all of reality not conforming to your current state of cognitive awareness
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    They're not telling you to stop any meaningful discussion about the issues.
  - el_ravager 5y ago
    Your comments aren't news and we aren't the government suppressing your speech, so I'm not sure what you're going on about.

istingray 5y ago

Dessant, this is a bad take. Encourage others out of the loop by pointing them in the right direction. Done properly it will improve and enable new discussion.