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I don't ride share often but in the more than handful of times I have since this issue has been in the news I've yet to find a single driver who supports it. T

I don't ride share often but in the more than handful of times I have since this issue has been in the news I've yet to find a single driver who supports it. The support for AB5 doesn't seem come from the people it "protects".

tsimionescu 5y ago
The whole business model of companies like Uber and Lyft relies on drivers not realizing how little they are getting out of the deal. The ones who do realize - often after some accident that leaves them injured or their cars too damaged to repair - will simply stop working and regret the past. Gig work usually looks very good when you're starting out and everything is going smoothly. With Uber and Lyft also investing massively in propaganda to ensure their drivers believe AB5 would cause numerous catastophes for their work, it's really not that surprising that most who are actually driving would be against it.
- parineum 5y ago
  If this is true, I think the responsibility of the people who support AB5 is to first convince the Uber/Lyft drivers themselves. I think it's incredibly arrogant to force those people to do something against their will for their own good.
ec109685 5y ago
The companies made it seem like drivers couldn’t work flexible hours if this passed. Nurses and other shift workers are employees, yet have flexible hours. That was completely obfuscated in this messaging.
- deleted 5y ago
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- Dylan16807 5y ago
  This is a bad definition of flexible: "flexible hours means you have different start and end times for your workday than the standard 9 a.m. to 5 p.m." This is a good definition of flexible: "A flexible work schedule is an alternative to the traditional 9 to 5, 40-hour work week. It allows employees to vary their arrival and/or departure times." Also "gives a worker greater latitude in choosing his or her particular hours of work, or freedom to change work schedules from one week to the next depending on the employee's personal needs" The first one applies to nurses and shift workers. But the goal and the appeal of Uber and Lyft is the second one.
  - gbear605 5y ago
    I don’t know about you, but my job as a employee gives me the second one.
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      Are you paid hourly? We could try salaried uber drivers but I have no idea how that would work.
      - ec109685 5y ago
        Paying Uber drivers a salary isn’t necessary. They can be a part-time employees and chose when they work without having a fixed salary. E.g. non-exempt employees as specified here: https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/tools-and-samples/hr-qa/pages/whatismeantbythetermsexempt,non-exempt,salariedandhourly.aspx https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/tools-and-samples/hr-... > Nonexempt: An individual who is not exempt from the overtime provisions of the FLSA and is therefore entitled to overtime pay for all hours worked beyond 40 in a workweek (as well as any state overtime provisions). Nonexempt employees may be paid on a salary, hourly or other basis.
        Dylan16807 5y ago
        > They can be a part-time employees and chose when they work without having a fixed salary. In a way where it actually makes sense for uber to hire them? If someone can sit in their house and push a button to start being paid their full rate, and doesn't have to actually do anything for the company during that time...
        ec109685 5y ago
        Uber doesn’t have to offer shifts to everyone whenever they want them of offer a base wage higher than minimum.
        5y ago

tsimionescu 5y ago

The whole business model of companies like Uber and Lyft relies on drivers not realizing how little they are getting out of the deal. The ones who do realize - often after some accident that leaves them injured or their cars too damaged to repair - will simply stop working and regret the past. Gig work usually looks very good when you're starting out and everything is going smoothly. With Uber and Lyft also investing massively in propaganda to ensure their drivers believe AB5 would cause numerous catastophes for their work, it's really not that surprising that most who are actually driving would be against it.

parineum 5y ago
If this is true, I think the responsibility of the people who support AB5 is to first convince the Uber/Lyft drivers themselves. I think it's incredibly arrogant to force those people to do something against their will for their own good.

ec109685 5y ago

The companies made it seem like drivers couldn’t work flexible hours if this passed. Nurses and other shift workers are employees, yet have flexible hours. That was completely obfuscated in this messaging.

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Dylan16807 5y ago
This is a bad definition of flexible: "flexible hours means you have different start and end times for your workday than the standard 9 a.m. to 5 p.m." This is a good definition of flexible: "A flexible work schedule is an alternative to the traditional 9 to 5, 40-hour work week. It allows employees to vary their arrival and/or departure times." Also "gives a worker greater latitude in choosing his or her particular hours of work, or freedom to change work schedules from one week to the next depending on the employee's personal needs" The first one applies to nurses and shift workers. But the goal and the appeal of Uber and Lyft is the second one.
- gbear605 5y ago
  I don’t know about you, but my job as a employee gives me the second one.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    Are you paid hourly? We could try salaried uber drivers but I have no idea how that would work.
    - ec109685 5y ago
      Paying Uber drivers a salary isn’t necessary. They can be a part-time employees and chose when they work without having a fixed salary. E.g. non-exempt employees as specified here: https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/tools-and-samples/hr-qa/pages/whatismeantbythetermsexempt,non-exempt,salariedandhourly.aspx https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/tools-and-samples/hr-... > Nonexempt: An individual who is not exempt from the overtime provisions of the FLSA and is therefore entitled to overtime pay for all hours worked beyond 40 in a workweek (as well as any state overtime provisions). Nonexempt employees may be paid on a salary, hourly or other basis.
      - Dylan16807 5y ago
        > They can be a part-time employees and chose when they work without having a fixed salary. In a way where it actually makes sense for uber to hire them? If someone can sit in their house and push a button to start being paid their full rate, and doesn't have to actually do anything for the company during that time...
        ec109685 5y ago
        Uber doesn’t have to offer shifts to everyone whenever they want them of offer a base wage higher than minimum.
        5y ago