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Take Vitamin D/C/Zinc/Niacin and build up natural immunity?

by aantix 5y ago

johnbaker92 5y ago
It's sad that this comment (and probably mine) downvoted despite being a reasonable long-term response to this virus. Instead of mandating this vaccine worldwide, why don't we focus on collectively building a better / stronger health that would prevent the large majority of severe cases?
- tcbawo 5y ago
  I haven't seen an evidence that supplements would prevent the majority of severe cases, or the neurological damage done (in even mild cases). Is this something backed up by data?
  - johnbaker92 5y ago
    Health goes beyond taking nutrients (although they might help). Here we're talking about exercise, nutrition, mental health etc: - None of those were advocated by governments during this pandemic. - Some measures (lockdowns, etc.) were detrimental to individual health and (imo) contributed to complications we've been seeing. This is generally backed up by common sense (which - just like the flu - has mysteriously disappeared in the past 2 years)
    - BobbyJo 5y ago
      What's mysterious about the flu disappearing? The precautions taken to reduce COVID were extremely effective against influenza. Given that it was much more broadly circulating, and therefore a large percentage of the population had antibodies to dominant strains (more than COVID even now), one would expect masks and isolation to basically destroy it's spread no?
      - lambdaba 5y ago
        It's also possible that viral disease dynamics are just like that, with one virus dominating at a time (amongst this class of highly contagious respiratory viruses).
  - mrfusion 5y ago
    Is neurological damage in mild cases backed up by data? The only study I saw was based on self reporting and an Internet based IQ test. Also considering perhaps 30% of the world has had covid now (anyone have the exact figure?) that would be an unbelievable amount of brain damage. I’d think we’d be aware of that if one in three people had recent brain damage.
    - nradov 5y ago
      The CDC estimates that 36% of Americans have been infected so far.
    - tcbawo 5y ago
      I'm neither a researcher or doctor, but I've seen numerous articles that describe this. Anecdotally, I've had multiple people (acquaintances and family) suffer from neurological effects. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32696341/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32696341/ https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Current-Research/Coronavirus-and-NINDS/nervous-system https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Current-Research/Coronavirus-and-N...
      - mrfusion 5y ago
        Thanks for finding some papers but I’m not sure they support OP’s claim. I’ll admit I don’t understand the first one. Somehow they’re claiming covid causes Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s? How can we know that after less than two years? The second one is clear to mention “ Most people infected with SARS-CoV-2 virus will have no or mild to moderate symptoms associated with the brain or nervous system. However, most individuals hospitalized due to the virus do have symptoms related to the brain or nervous system, most commonly including muscle aches, headaches, dizziness, and altered taste and smell.” So They are claiming an effect but not for mild cases like OP said and not really claiming brain damage anyway.
  - lambdaba 5y ago
    Anyything that makes your immune system work properly will help, the reason Covid is even a subject is that there is a silent epidemic of immunocompromised people, a large number of which are unaware that they are - the kind of people who routinely get sick in the winter, for instance. It's very strange that we are pretending that healthiness doesn't exist or can't be improved. It can, and rather easily and cheaply (yes, Vitamin D is one, but also, especially for Covid, anything that improves vascular function, as the etiology of Covid is closely linked to vascular health... which is where Niacin (vitamin B3), vitamin C, and reducing /eliminating sugar come in).
    - andrekandre 5y ago
      why does improving vascular function help with dealing with covid? > etiology of Covid is closely linked to vascular health... any links about that? im curious to take a look
      - lambdaba 5y ago
        If you look up "covid vascular" you'll find plenty of references. Seeing how it affects most people with chronic conditions associated with such problems (hypertension, diabetes), I'm convinced it's a correct assessment.
        andrekandre 5y ago
        interesting, thanks, ill take a look
- Florin_Andrei 5y ago
  It is downvoted because it's pseudo-science.
  - nradov 5y ago
    At least in the case of vitamin D it's hardly pseudoscience. Multiple clinical studies have found that hypovitaminosis D is a serious risk factor for COVID-19. https://vitamin-d-covid.shotwell.ca/ https://vitamin-d-covid.shotwell.ca/
    - Florin_Andrei 5y ago
      It is correlated, but I am not aware of even a single study that shows actual causal determination.
      - nradov 5y ago
        Are you claiming that you read all the studies linked above and none of them show actual causal determination? We can't really prove anything 100% in biology but the totality of evidence is very strong here.
      - lambdaba 5y ago
        I recall studies showing significant efficacy even in acute settings, which was slightly unexpected, at least to me.
      - protein_lense 5y ago
        This is not a study, but it does discuss the biochemistry of vitamin D and the role it plays in the immune system. It is left to the viewer to draw their own conclusions. COVID-19 and Vitamin D | Association Between Vitamin D Deficiency and COVID-19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT1CaTv5-e4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT1CaTv5-e4
  - johnbaker92 5y ago
    According to "science": - Lockdowns should have stopped covid. - Masks should have stopped covid. - Vaccines should have stopped covid. - "Health" passports and those ridiculous mandates should have stopped covid. The fact is, we're two years down the road and we're still talking about this virus - so "true" science (that advocated by governments / media I imagine?) is obviously not working. Time to take a step back and think for ourselves perhaps?
walterbell 5y ago
There's a social-acceptability phenomenon where people say one thing (e.g. in surveys) and do another (e.g. what they buy). Relatively early in 2020, some grocery and pharmacy shelves were completely emptied of Vit C/D/Zinc/Quercetin. When they were restocked, they would sell out again, even with per-customer quotas. This took place even with a complete news blackout on early treatments. As with HCQ/Ivermectin, we have decades of data showing very low risk of adverse effects from these early treatments. So the worst case is that people waste money on placebos. But there are studies showing that early treatment helps some (not all) patients to recover more quickly. Just as we don't know why some people are injured by vaccines, we don't know why some people are not helped by early intervention with supplements. More studies are need for both, including funding for autopsies of those who die and retroactive genomic sequencing of virus/vaccine/supplement samples collected from the most severely affected cases. India (origin of Delta) provides comparative data because some areas have rejected Ivermectin while other areas have embraced it. This is a ZH (sorry) article, but it uses data from Johns Hopkins, https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/indias-ivermectin-blackout https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/indias-ivermectin-blackou... > This data shows how Ivermectin knocked their COVID-19 cases and deaths - which we know were Delta Variant - down to almost zero within weeks. A population comparable to the US went from about 35,000 cases and 350 deaths per day to nearly ZERO within weeks of adding Ivermectin to their protocol. > Let us look at the August 5 numbers from Uttar Pradesh with 2/3 of our population. Uttar Pradesh, using Ivermectin, had a total of 26 new cases and exactly THREE deaths. The US without Ivermectin has precisely 4889 times as many daily cases and 191 times as many deaths as Uttar Pradesh with Ivermectin. At present, there are billions of dollars of economic incentives for suppression of early treatment, because vaccines are still under EUA that could be questioned by the availability of therapeutics with decades of safety data. If the FDA fully approves one or more vaccines in September 2021, perhaps there will be more economic incentives to perform research and studies of therapeutics. Merck (original holder of the Ivermectin patent) is developing a new patented therapeutic for early treatment of Covid. Time will tell whether this is a genuinely new treatment or an "evergreen" variant of Ivermectin to obtain patent revenue. Either way, it would mean that at least one Big Pharma company has an economic incentive to promote early therapeutics for Covid, which could provide some balance to the currently polarized treatment landscape.
- 5y ago

Take Vitamin D/C/Zinc/Niacin and build up natural immunity?

by aantix 5y ago

Take Vitamin D/C/Zinc/Niacin and build up natural immunity?

It's sad that this comment (and probably mine) downvoted despite being a reasonable long-term response to this virus. Instead of mandating this vaccine worldwide, why don't we focus on collectively building a better / stronger health that would prevent the large majority of severe cases?

tcbawo 5y ago
I haven't seen an evidence that supplements would prevent the majority of severe cases, or the neurological damage done (in even mild cases). Is this something backed up by data?
- johnbaker92 5y ago
  Health goes beyond taking nutrients (although they might help). Here we're talking about exercise, nutrition, mental health etc: - None of those were advocated by governments during this pandemic. - Some measures (lockdowns, etc.) were detrimental to individual health and (imo) contributed to complications we've been seeing. This is generally backed up by common sense (which - just like the flu - has mysteriously disappeared in the past 2 years)
  - BobbyJo 5y ago
    What's mysterious about the flu disappearing? The precautions taken to reduce COVID were extremely effective against influenza. Given that it was much more broadly circulating, and therefore a large percentage of the population had antibodies to dominant strains (more than COVID even now), one would expect masks and isolation to basically destroy it's spread no?
    - lambdaba 5y ago
      It's also possible that viral disease dynamics are just like that, with one virus dominating at a time (amongst this class of highly contagious respiratory viruses).
- mrfusion 5y ago
  Is neurological damage in mild cases backed up by data? The only study I saw was based on self reporting and an Internet based IQ test. Also considering perhaps 30% of the world has had covid now (anyone have the exact figure?) that would be an unbelievable amount of brain damage. I’d think we’d be aware of that if one in three people had recent brain damage.
  - nradov 5y ago
    The CDC estimates that 36% of Americans have been infected so far.
  - tcbawo 5y ago
    I'm neither a researcher or doctor, but I've seen numerous articles that describe this. Anecdotally, I've had multiple people (acquaintances and family) suffer from neurological effects. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32696341/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32696341/ https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Current-Research/Coronavirus-and-NINDS/nervous-system https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Current-Research/Coronavirus-and-N...
    - mrfusion 5y ago
      Thanks for finding some papers but I’m not sure they support OP’s claim. I’ll admit I don’t understand the first one. Somehow they’re claiming covid causes Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s? How can we know that after less than two years? The second one is clear to mention “ Most people infected with SARS-CoV-2 virus will have no or mild to moderate symptoms associated with the brain or nervous system. However, most individuals hospitalized due to the virus do have symptoms related to the brain or nervous system, most commonly including muscle aches, headaches, dizziness, and altered taste and smell.” So They are claiming an effect but not for mild cases like OP said and not really claiming brain damage anyway.
- lambdaba 5y ago
  Anyything that makes your immune system work properly will help, the reason Covid is even a subject is that there is a silent epidemic of immunocompromised people, a large number of which are unaware that they are - the kind of people who routinely get sick in the winter, for instance. It's very strange that we are pretending that healthiness doesn't exist or can't be improved. It can, and rather easily and cheaply (yes, Vitamin D is one, but also, especially for Covid, anything that improves vascular function, as the etiology of Covid is closely linked to vascular health... which is where Niacin (vitamin B3), vitamin C, and reducing /eliminating sugar come in).
  - andrekandre 5y ago
    why does improving vascular function help with dealing with covid? > etiology of Covid is closely linked to vascular health... any links about that? im curious to take a look
    - lambdaba 5y ago
      If you look up "covid vascular" you'll find plenty of references. Seeing how it affects most people with chronic conditions associated with such problems (hypertension, diabetes), I'm convinced it's a correct assessment.
      - andrekandre 5y ago
        interesting, thanks, ill take a look
Florin_Andrei 5y ago
It is downvoted because it's pseudo-science.
- nradov 5y ago
  At least in the case of vitamin D it's hardly pseudoscience. Multiple clinical studies have found that hypovitaminosis D is a serious risk factor for COVID-19. https://vitamin-d-covid.shotwell.ca/ https://vitamin-d-covid.shotwell.ca/
  - Florin_Andrei 5y ago
    It is correlated, but I am not aware of even a single study that shows actual causal determination.
    - nradov 5y ago
      Are you claiming that you read all the studies linked above and none of them show actual causal determination? We can't really prove anything 100% in biology but the totality of evidence is very strong here.
    - lambdaba 5y ago
      I recall studies showing significant efficacy even in acute settings, which was slightly unexpected, at least to me.
    - protein_lense 5y ago
      This is not a study, but it does discuss the biochemistry of vitamin D and the role it plays in the immune system. It is left to the viewer to draw their own conclusions. COVID-19 and Vitamin D | Association Between Vitamin D Deficiency and COVID-19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT1CaTv5-e4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT1CaTv5-e4
- johnbaker92 5y ago
  According to "science": - Lockdowns should have stopped covid. - Masks should have stopped covid. - Vaccines should have stopped covid. - "Health" passports and those ridiculous mandates should have stopped covid. The fact is, we're two years down the road and we're still talking about this virus - so "true" science (that advocated by governments / media I imagine?) is obviously not working. Time to take a step back and think for ourselves perhaps?

walterbell 5y ago

There's a social-acceptability phenomenon where people say one thing (e.g. in surveys) and do another (e.g. what they buy). Relatively early in 2020, some grocery and pharmacy shelves were completely emptied of Vit C/D/Zinc/Quercetin. When they were restocked, they would sell out again, even with per-customer quotas. This took place even with a complete news blackout on early treatments. As with HCQ/Ivermectin, we have decades of data showing very low risk of adverse effects from these early treatments. So the worst case is that people waste money on placebos. But there are studies showing that early treatment helps some (not all) patients to recover more quickly. Just as we don't know why some people are injured by vaccines, we don't know why some people are not helped by early intervention with supplements. More studies are need for both, including funding for autopsies of those who die and retroactive genomic sequencing of virus/vaccine/supplement samples collected from the most severely affected cases. India (origin of Delta) provides comparative data because some areas have rejected Ivermectin while other areas have embraced it. This is a ZH (sorry) article, but it uses data from Johns Hopkins, https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/indias-ivermectin-blackout https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/indias-ivermectin-blackou... > This data shows how Ivermectin knocked their COVID-19 cases and deaths - which we know were Delta Variant - down to almost zero within weeks. A population comparable to the US went from about 35,000 cases and 350 deaths per day to nearly ZERO within weeks of adding Ivermectin to their protocol. > Let us look at the August 5 numbers from Uttar Pradesh with 2/3 of our population. Uttar Pradesh, using Ivermectin, had a total of 26 new cases and exactly THREE deaths. The US without Ivermectin has precisely 4889 times as many daily cases and 191 times as many deaths as Uttar Pradesh with Ivermectin. At present, there are billions of dollars of economic incentives for suppression of early treatment, because vaccines are still under EUA that could be questioned by the availability of therapeutics with decades of safety data. If the FDA fully approves one or more vaccines in September 2021, perhaps there will be more economic incentives to perform research and studies of therapeutics. Merck (original holder of the Ivermectin patent) is developing a new patented therapeutic for early treatment of Covid. Time will tell whether this is a genuinely new treatment or an "evergreen" variant of Ivermectin to obtain patent revenue. Either way, it would mean that at least one Big Pharma company has an economic incentive to promote early therapeutics for Covid, which could provide some balance to the currently polarized treatment landscape.

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