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Bullshit artists, but I hope some of that “AI” money trickles down to fundamental research in neuroscience and cognitive psychology to bring us closer to unders

Bullshit artists, but I hope some of that “AI” money trickles down to fundamental research in neuroscience and cognitive psychology to bring us closer to understanding cognition

beeboop 5y ago
What do you consider bullshit about Tesla's use of AI?
- sidibe 5y ago
  The robot was pure BS. You can tell they haven't done anything or even thought much about it, there was just the slide and he didn't even know what to say about it during the presentation just "look, robot"
  - shmoe 5y ago
    It's a recruiting event. The same way they announced a 25k EV in China to recruit designers there. It doesn't mean it won't happen, but it's also a tactic.
  - BluSyn 5y ago
    It is clearly a future product idea simply designed to inspire robotics experts to join the company. Not many other places (eg, Boston Dynamics) have access to custom designed ML hardware. So they are saying: if you want to build the robots of the future, this is the company to join. I don't understand how that's "BS"? They're not marketing this to consumers.
  - ctdonath 5y ago
    It was a funny. Laugh.
- andyxor 5y ago
  false advertising, that “AI” literally doesn’t know what it’s doing
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - beeboop 5y ago
    There are a lot of levels and definitions of AI. Elon and team clearly refer to their own products as "narrow" AI, which it literally is by definition.
  - iseanstevens 5y ago
    I certainly don’t know what I’m doing, but many people have said I’m intelligent.
    - andyxor 5y ago
      You know more than you realize, and your brain does more than you know It’s been said that AI is surprisingly hard because a lot that’s happening is unconscious, and once you fall into the rabbit hole of chasing it AI becomes a perpetual “5 years away” goal
s5300 5y ago
If the people who've made the singular successful US automobile manufacturer & US space travel company in decades are bullshit artists, yet still obviously the best we have going for us, then damn we in for a bleak future aren't we... I think that may be false and you might just not like Elon though.
- shmoe 5y ago
  Boeing can't even get off the ground without checking the hardware clock, and Blue Origin has never made it to orbit. I hate people who discount the achievements of SpaceX/Tesla because they tend to make this look easy.
- andyxor 5y ago
  it’s a common mistake to extend expertise in one domain to other completely unrelated domains A good example is Noam Chomsky and his political ramblings
  - staunch 5y ago
    Chomsky is just not as smart as effective as some other people. Many people thought: 1. Elon Musk was a Silicon Valley software guy that couldn't possibly build electric cars or rockets. 2. The Wright brothers were a couple of bicycle mechanics that couldn't possibly build a real flying machine. 3. Steve Jobs was a right-place right-time washed up has-been that could not revive Apple and certainly could not make it the most valuable company on earth. History is full of examples of smart and effective people transferring their abilities to new challenges.
  - s5300 5y ago
    This is true, but one should still consider that Musk tends to attract some of the best, brightest, and highly motivated engineers and scientists (despite those who would argue this is false, I think it's quite clear who is correct when looking at the ventures of Alumni of his companies and what his companies have produced so far...) As well as a good amount of non-bureaucratically/red-tape-restricted financial backing. Those conditions seem highly likely to be able to produce results compared to other companies in the space - but I guess only time will tell. For a funnier and maybe slightly less related example like yours though... There is a surviving Japanese company that made samurai swords for a few centuries or so - they now make nail clippers, and they're some of the best damn nail clippers one can buy on this planet. They then ventured into making tweezers as well. You would expect that if they can make such amazing and highly acclaimed nail clippers, they can probably make damn good tweezers as well. Their tweezers are absolutely awful and they've never revised them for as long as they've been selling them.
mzs 5y ago
>Carl Berry, a lecturer in robotics engineering at the UK’s University of Central Lancashire, put things to me in less uncertain terms: “[Calling it] horse shit sounds generous, frankly. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t be doing research like this, but it’s the usual overblown hype.” https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/20/22633958/tesla-bot-elon-musk-ai-day https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/20/22633958/tesla-bot-elon-m...

Bullshit artists, but I hope some of that “AI” money trickles down to fundamental research in neuroscience and cognitive psychology to bring us closer to understanding cognition

beeboop 5y ago

What do you consider bullshit about Tesla's use of AI?

sidibe 5y ago
The robot was pure BS. You can tell they haven't done anything or even thought much about it, there was just the slide and he didn't even know what to say about it during the presentation just "look, robot"
- shmoe 5y ago
  It's a recruiting event. The same way they announced a 25k EV in China to recruit designers there. It doesn't mean it won't happen, but it's also a tactic.
- BluSyn 5y ago
  It is clearly a future product idea simply designed to inspire robotics experts to join the company. Not many other places (eg, Boston Dynamics) have access to custom designed ML hardware. So they are saying: if you want to build the robots of the future, this is the company to join. I don't understand how that's "BS"? They're not marketing this to consumers.
- ctdonath 5y ago
  It was a funny. Laugh.
andyxor 5y ago
false advertising, that “AI” literally doesn’t know what it’s doing
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- beeboop 5y ago
  There are a lot of levels and definitions of AI. Elon and team clearly refer to their own products as "narrow" AI, which it literally is by definition.
- iseanstevens 5y ago
  I certainly don’t know what I’m doing, but many people have said I’m intelligent.
  - andyxor 5y ago
    You know more than you realize, and your brain does more than you know It’s been said that AI is surprisingly hard because a lot that’s happening is unconscious, and once you fall into the rabbit hole of chasing it AI becomes a perpetual “5 years away” goal

s5300 5y ago

If the people who've made the singular successful US automobile manufacturer & US space travel company in decades are bullshit artists, yet still obviously the best we have going for us, then damn we in for a bleak future aren't we... I think that may be false and you might just not like Elon though.

shmoe 5y ago
Boeing can't even get off the ground without checking the hardware clock, and Blue Origin has never made it to orbit. I hate people who discount the achievements of SpaceX/Tesla because they tend to make this look easy.
andyxor 5y ago
it’s a common mistake to extend expertise in one domain to other completely unrelated domains A good example is Noam Chomsky and his political ramblings
- staunch 5y ago
  Chomsky is just not as smart as effective as some other people. Many people thought: 1. Elon Musk was a Silicon Valley software guy that couldn't possibly build electric cars or rockets. 2. The Wright brothers were a couple of bicycle mechanics that couldn't possibly build a real flying machine. 3. Steve Jobs was a right-place right-time washed up has-been that could not revive Apple and certainly could not make it the most valuable company on earth. History is full of examples of smart and effective people transferring their abilities to new challenges.
- s5300 5y ago
  This is true, but one should still consider that Musk tends to attract some of the best, brightest, and highly motivated engineers and scientists (despite those who would argue this is false, I think it's quite clear who is correct when looking at the ventures of Alumni of his companies and what his companies have produced so far...) As well as a good amount of non-bureaucratically/red-tape-restricted financial backing. Those conditions seem highly likely to be able to produce results compared to other companies in the space - but I guess only time will tell. For a funnier and maybe slightly less related example like yours though... There is a surviving Japanese company that made samurai swords for a few centuries or so - they now make nail clippers, and they're some of the best damn nail clippers one can buy on this planet. They then ventured into making tweezers as well. You would expect that if they can make such amazing and highly acclaimed nail clippers, they can probably make damn good tweezers as well. Their tweezers are absolutely awful and they've never revised them for as long as they've been selling them.

mzs 5y ago

>Carl Berry, a lecturer in robotics engineering at the UK’s University of Central Lancashire, put things to me in less uncertain terms: “[Calling it] horse shit sounds generous, frankly. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t be doing research like this, but it’s the usual overblown hype.” https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/20/22633958/tesla-bot-elon-musk-ai-day https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/20/22633958/tesla-bot-elon-m...