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Not at all. If someone told anyone I know they have a onlyfans, I can’t think of anyone who would assume anything other than porn

slg 5y ago
It is the same problem that Voat had. If you are are a platform that prioritizes minimal moderation in a market dominated by someone who doesn't, the primary reason to use your platform is because that content isn't allowed on the market leader. Voat only became "Reddit for white supremacists" because Reddit was pushing many of those users off their platform. Only Fans only became "Patreon for sex work" because Patreon didn't want those users on their platform. Anyone who wasn't one of those groups was better off just sticking with Reddit and Patreon and that only became truer as the reputation became more and more ingrained with the platform's brand.
- joe_the_user 5y ago
  It is the same problem that Voat had. If you are are a platform that prioritizes minimal moderation in a market dominated by someone who doesn't, the primary reason to use your platform is because that content isn't allowed on the market leader. This seems like an opportunity, not a problem. Since most platforms simply don't get traction at all, you have something. It's opportunity that involves problems (or "challenges") but you've gotten somewhere on the market chessboard. And most "growth hacks" present challenges. That said, it's hard to believe that onlyfans wasn't aware they were effective a porn site. Maybe Voat was more naive since white supremacy doesn't monetize the way porn does but I'd be skeptical there too. The Internet has a zillion places for any population to go so there isn't a single "off-brand" that a undesirable population X is fated to go to.
  - codetrotter 5y ago
    > Maybe Voat was more naive since white supremacy doesn't monetize the way porn does but I'd be skeptical there too. Have a look at the front page of Voat. I’m not even gonna check it myself because I’ve seen enough. I guarantee you that 50% or more of everything on the front page of Voat at any moment will be very obviously white supremacist type content. They know. And by letting those people dominate their platform for so long, they are effectively saying that white supremacists are welcome on their site, and that they are ok with giving a platform to people who are looking to spread hate against others based on ethnicity and nationality.
    - wutbrodo 5y ago
      > Have a look at the front page of Voat. I’m not even gonna check it myself because I’ve seen enough. Voat shut down last year (I actually wasn't aware until reading this thread and trying to check the frontpage)
      - codetrotter 5y ago
        Ah, so it has. Great!
      - 22c 5y ago
        A site which calls itself Voat and uses Voat branding is back under the domain voat.xyz and it has a higher percentage of extremist content than the old Voat (if you can believe that). It doesn't appear to be ran on the same codebase or the same database as the "old" Voat, but it can essentially be considered "back".
        belorn 5y ago
        I have tried to verify every single time in the past when people on HN have pointed at a reddit alternative or subreddit with claims of extremist content, and every single time I have found nothing. When I point this out I have gotten replies (and downvotes) that the content is actually there but hidden in dead comments, which then archive.org do not display. It always leaves me without any way to verify the claim. This time the site above did actually have some content that match the description. Looking at the top 10 on the front page, 8 is anti-vaccination discussions and 2 is anti-jew. That is significant more than any of the other sites I have looked at, and for once I can verify what the person claim to be true. (As usual people demonstrate how appreciated independent verification is).
        nintendo1889 5y ago
        Agreed. It's an attempt to censor indy media, when there's just as much extremist content on the mainstream sites.
        deleted 5y ago
  - slg 5y ago
    >This seems like an opportunity, not a problem. It is both. If money is the primary driver you should simply accept the opportunity and pivot. However I would guess that the people who founded, worked at, and invested in these companies before the brand change were probably a little uneasy about that "growth hack". I know I would leave any company that to pivoted to white supremacy or porn. The former for personal moral reasons and the latter because our societal morality creates a stigma that isn't worth dealing with. Plus this content is generally kicked off the original platform for some reason other than morals. It is usually because users are abandoning the platform or other companies are refusing to work with them. Embracing this content can therefore result in headaches like payment processors or cloud providers refusing to work with you.
    - dalbasal 5y ago
      IDK... if money is all that concerns you, I'd say stay away from porn, or white supremacy. Not much money in being a pariah, usually. As you say, employees may leave. Investors may leave. Banks may try to drop you.
      - joe_the_user 5y ago
        ...if money is all that concerns you, I'd say stay away from porn, or white supremacy. Not much money in being a pariah, usually. The amount of money in porn overall is vast, generally estimated in the billions.[1] Some pariahs get a lot of money. I'd agree on white supremacy, still. [1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/porn-could-bigger-economic-influence-121524565.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/porn-could-bigger-economic-in...
        preommr 5y ago
        Just because the market is big doesn't mean it's easy to get a slice. The food industry is absolutely huge and also very brutal. Margins are razor thin and people get crushed constantly.
        ipaddr 5y ago
  - wyclif 5y ago
    New users can't register at Voat currently, so it seems kind of dead anyway.
  - deleted 5y ago
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King-Aaron 5y ago
Well I have a page on facebook called Only. Fans. And it's only fans
- webinvest 5y ago
  Well King Aaron, have you considered owning a castle, starting a sex cult, declaring a new country on a private island or all three?
  - King-Aaron 5y ago
    The trifecta, obviously!
  - egberts1 5y ago
    Is King Aaron really that Jeffery Epstein? Is he alive?
- chihuahua 5y ago
  Unfortunately, your page is very difficult to find on FB via search. So, is it electric fans, handheld fans, or both?
  - King-Aaron 5y ago
    https://www.facebook.com/onlyfansss https://www.facebook.com/onlyfansss Unfortunately when I first set it up, I wasn't concerned about visibility haha. But while it's all fans, most of the content is heavily electric fan related
    - disqard 5y ago
      This is gold! Well done :) It reminds me of a "Ken M" post, but like a joke that just keeps working, even if you tell variants of it over and over.
    - mngnt 5y ago
      Liked. Cannot wait for fan photos, videos and other fan related content on my wall. It will be MUCH better than what usually lands there. I really miss the "old days" when the internet was full of single purpose, dumb-if-you-think-too-much-about-it, hilarious sites (crappy taxidermy, ThatWillBuffOut.com, graphjam, etc.) and this is as close as we can get these days. Only. Fans.
truth_ 5y ago
Patreon was able to change that though. Yes,there was a time when Patreon meant porn. But now a lot of mainstream artists, YouTubers, etc. using Patreon.
- MrRadar 5y ago
  When was that? I've been supporting people on Patreon since 2014 and it's basically been the same mix of independent comic artists and Youtubers the entire time. I know there was a ruckus when they kicked porn off the site, but I never knew they were on there in the first place.

slg 5y ago

It is the same problem that Voat had. If you are are a platform that prioritizes minimal moderation in a market dominated by someone who doesn't, the primary reason to use your platform is because that content isn't allowed on the market leader. Voat only became "Reddit for white supremacists" because Reddit was pushing many of those users off their platform. Only Fans only became "Patreon for sex work" because Patreon didn't want those users on their platform. Anyone who wasn't one of those groups was better off just sticking with Reddit and Patreon and that only became truer as the reputation became more and more ingrained with the platform's brand.

joe_the_user 5y ago
It is the same problem that Voat had. If you are are a platform that prioritizes minimal moderation in a market dominated by someone who doesn't, the primary reason to use your platform is because that content isn't allowed on the market leader. This seems like an opportunity, not a problem. Since most platforms simply don't get traction at all, you have something. It's opportunity that involves problems (or "challenges") but you've gotten somewhere on the market chessboard. And most "growth hacks" present challenges. That said, it's hard to believe that onlyfans wasn't aware they were effective a porn site. Maybe Voat was more naive since white supremacy doesn't monetize the way porn does but I'd be skeptical there too. The Internet has a zillion places for any population to go so there isn't a single "off-brand" that a undesirable population X is fated to go to.
- codetrotter 5y ago
  > Maybe Voat was more naive since white supremacy doesn't monetize the way porn does but I'd be skeptical there too. Have a look at the front page of Voat. I’m not even gonna check it myself because I’ve seen enough. I guarantee you that 50% or more of everything on the front page of Voat at any moment will be very obviously white supremacist type content. They know. And by letting those people dominate their platform for so long, they are effectively saying that white supremacists are welcome on their site, and that they are ok with giving a platform to people who are looking to spread hate against others based on ethnicity and nationality.
  - wutbrodo 5y ago
    > Have a look at the front page of Voat. I’m not even gonna check it myself because I’ve seen enough. Voat shut down last year (I actually wasn't aware until reading this thread and trying to check the frontpage)
    - codetrotter 5y ago
      Ah, so it has. Great!
    - 22c 5y ago
      A site which calls itself Voat and uses Voat branding is back under the domain voat.xyz and it has a higher percentage of extremist content than the old Voat (if you can believe that). It doesn't appear to be ran on the same codebase or the same database as the "old" Voat, but it can essentially be considered "back".
      - belorn 5y ago
        I have tried to verify every single time in the past when people on HN have pointed at a reddit alternative or subreddit with claims of extremist content, and every single time I have found nothing. When I point this out I have gotten replies (and downvotes) that the content is actually there but hidden in dead comments, which then archive.org do not display. It always leaves me without any way to verify the claim. This time the site above did actually have some content that match the description. Looking at the top 10 on the front page, 8 is anti-vaccination discussions and 2 is anti-jew. That is significant more than any of the other sites I have looked at, and for once I can verify what the person claim to be true. (As usual people demonstrate how appreciated independent verification is).
        nintendo1889 5y ago
        Agreed. It's an attempt to censor indy media, when there's just as much extremist content on the mainstream sites.
        deleted 5y ago
- slg 5y ago
  >This seems like an opportunity, not a problem. It is both. If money is the primary driver you should simply accept the opportunity and pivot. However I would guess that the people who founded, worked at, and invested in these companies before the brand change were probably a little uneasy about that "growth hack". I know I would leave any company that to pivoted to white supremacy or porn. The former for personal moral reasons and the latter because our societal morality creates a stigma that isn't worth dealing with. Plus this content is generally kicked off the original platform for some reason other than morals. It is usually because users are abandoning the platform or other companies are refusing to work with them. Embracing this content can therefore result in headaches like payment processors or cloud providers refusing to work with you.
  - dalbasal 5y ago
    IDK... if money is all that concerns you, I'd say stay away from porn, or white supremacy. Not much money in being a pariah, usually. As you say, employees may leave. Investors may leave. Banks may try to drop you.
    - joe_the_user 5y ago
      ...if money is all that concerns you, I'd say stay away from porn, or white supremacy. Not much money in being a pariah, usually. The amount of money in porn overall is vast, generally estimated in the billions.[1] Some pariahs get a lot of money. I'd agree on white supremacy, still. [1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/porn-could-bigger-economic-influence-121524565.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/porn-could-bigger-economic-in...
      - preommr 5y ago
        Just because the market is big doesn't mean it's easy to get a slice. The food industry is absolutely huge and also very brutal. Margins are razor thin and people get crushed constantly.
        ipaddr 5y ago
- wyclif 5y ago
  New users can't register at Voat currently, so it seems kind of dead anyway.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]

King-Aaron 5y ago

Well I have a page on facebook called Only. Fans. And it's only fans

webinvest 5y ago
Well King Aaron, have you considered owning a castle, starting a sex cult, declaring a new country on a private island or all three?
- King-Aaron 5y ago
  The trifecta, obviously!
- egberts1 5y ago
  Is King Aaron really that Jeffery Epstein? Is he alive?
chihuahua 5y ago
Unfortunately, your page is very difficult to find on FB via search. So, is it electric fans, handheld fans, or both?
- King-Aaron 5y ago
  https://www.facebook.com/onlyfansss https://www.facebook.com/onlyfansss Unfortunately when I first set it up, I wasn't concerned about visibility haha. But while it's all fans, most of the content is heavily electric fan related
  - disqard 5y ago
    This is gold! Well done :) It reminds me of a "Ken M" post, but like a joke that just keeps working, even if you tell variants of it over and over.
  - mngnt 5y ago
    Liked. Cannot wait for fan photos, videos and other fan related content on my wall. It will be MUCH better than what usually lands there. I really miss the "old days" when the internet was full of single purpose, dumb-if-you-think-too-much-about-it, hilarious sites (crappy taxidermy, ThatWillBuffOut.com, graphjam, etc.) and this is as close as we can get these days. Only. Fans.

truth_ 5y ago

Patreon was able to change that though. Yes,there was a time when Patreon meant porn. But now a lot of mainstream artists, YouTubers, etc. using Patreon.

MrRadar 5y ago
When was that? I've been supporting people on Patreon since 2014 and it's basically been the same mix of independent comic artists and Youtubers the entire time. I know there was a ruckus when they kicked porn off the site, but I never knew they were on there in the first place.