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Regardless of whom he has on why are we giving Joe Rogan oxygen here.

by michaelmrose 5y ago

nodesocket 5y ago
Because diversity of thought, but sounds like you are happy being a sheep.
NullPrefix 5y ago
Yes. Let's not waste time on the message because the messenger is not of the correct political faction.
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  Basically I view the Republicans as either nazis or people willing to bed down with nazis so yes I agree we shouldn't waste time on such people.
  - Sholmesy 5y ago
    Joe Rogan does not identify with the Republican party, I believe he voted Democrat in the last election.
    - michaelmrose 5y ago
      >I can’t vote for that guy. I’d rather vote for Trump than [Biden]. I don’t think he can handle anything. You’re relying entirely on his cabinet. If you want to talk about an individual leader who can communicate, he can’t do that. And we don’t know what the f— he’ll be like after a year in office.’ Joe Rogan repeating outright lies about Biden being senile and incapable of communication in order to justify voting for a man he himself has called dangerous and a moron. What do you call a person who proclaims he's voting for a dangerous moron?
      - ephextom 5y ago
        Is that quote really your smoking gun evidence that Rogan is Republican or Republican-supporting? Try and replace the names with people who don't have a political charge attached, and try to honestly assess whether it's such an outrageous thing to say. He didn't say he would vote Trump and there's no evidence that he did. He was simply commenting that Biden was in decline, which was and is increasingly there for everyone to observe, and is highly concerning for a person who holds the most powerful office in the world. You can disagree that his cognitive impairment disqualifies him from being president, fine, but to make that kind of comment is just not deserving of the outrage, and clearly the media whipped it up and perpetuated it in order to keep us all clicking and arguing.
  - imaginariet 5y ago
    So the half of US who voted Republicans, including a lot of black people and latino people are nazis or willing to bed down with them?
    - michaelmrose 5y ago
      Half the US didn't vote for Republicans its more like 47% overwhelmingly tilted towards white men especially those with no educational achievement. Looking back over the last 41 years at least of my life as a white man I would have been substantially better off if white men couldn't vote. It's embarrassing and yes these people including neighbors, some family even are bad people willing to bed down with nazis.
      - imaginariet 5y ago
        Good catch correcting me that 47% is not half. Are you saying that the votes of uneducated people should be worth less than those of college educated people?
        michaelmrose 5y ago
        I'm saying that objectively people who are privileged by existing broken systems and people who are uneducated both make bad choices. If we made college free I would absolutely be OK with making completing a degree a prerequisite to being allowed to vote along with an IQ test every 10 years excluding people under 90 and a pop quiz on current events where people who couldn't answer such questions as who their senators are would see their vote go straight in the trash. Excluding people who are lazy, stupid, or ignorant would result in a better decision making process. None of this is politically possible.
        imaginariet 5y ago
        > people who couldn't answer such questions as who their senators are would see their vote go straight in the trash Your proposal would send to the trash the votes of 90% of black people. How progressive... > Only 16 percent of Latinos and 10 percent of African-Americans were able to correctly identify one senator from his or her home state > 77 percent of Americans between 18 and 34 could not name one senator in his or her home state https://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/poll-millennials-state-senators-114867 https://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/poll-millennials-stat... Maybe we should just remove voting altogether and just have 20 PhDs from Harvard/Standford/Yale and MIT decide who should run the country to avoid the unwashed masses decide such an important aspect of our life.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Joe Rogan doesn't even have a political faction beyond that of his latest guest really. I don't think it's about politics, Joe Rogan is just very low SNR unless you're tuning in to a particular guest.
  - blahblahblogger 5y ago
    He doesn't identify with the Republican party, but he is a "disaffected democrat" - a group that increasingly has seen the democratic party leave them, rather than them leaving the party. Joe may be considered right-wing by the "new democrats", who are the most vocal portions of the democratic party (the "woke" folks, even if they aren't the majority of the party currently, but they are becoming the future of the party) - this is despite Joe's views not changing much from where they were a couple decades ago. It's the party that's shifted. It's like comedian Tim Dillon said, "I woke up one day and was asked if we should still have police and borders, and I said yes we should. Now I'm apparently a nazi." He is a comedian and this is somewhat tongue and cheek but reflects the disaffected nature and cynicism many of these folks now have for the democratic party.
    - systemvoltage 5y ago
      This is what happens when social media algorithms controlling the entire world, let alone the USA are developed on the belief system of a small neighborhood in Silicon Valley. https://www.economist.com/international/2021/06/12/social-media-are-turbocharging-the-export-of-americas-political-culture https://www.economist.com/international/2021/06/12/social-me...
warning26 5y ago
Agreed, Joe Rogan is, at best, a somewhat misleading entertainer, and at worst an evil propagandist. It should be a crime to give him airtime.
ThrowInTheOven 5y ago
Yeah, we should probably throw everyone in the oven who doesn't adhere to our worldview. /s I sometimes wonder who the news is talking about re: fascism, but then I see it here: talking about not giving someone oxygen on HN who YOU don't agree with. Everyone must comply!!!! Perhaps you need to calm down?
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  My statement was as measured and calm as this one is as contrasted with you creating a throwaway exclusively to freak out and post this rabid screed with an over the top analogy, followed by a sentence with 4 exclamation points, followed by an exhortation for me to calm down. Don't create throwaways in order to post verbal seizures.
  - s9w 5y ago
    all non-leftie viewpoints are banned here, so that point is moot. Also he is right, this is a blatant call for censorship.
dang 5y ago
Could you please follow the site guidelines? You broke them badly in this thread, producing (and feeding) a dumb, tedious flamewar. Note these, from https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: "Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity." We've had to ask you about this more than once before. That's not cool. Eventually we ban such accounts, and I don't want to ban you. If you wouldn't mind reviewing the guidelines and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  The thread went to pot and I certainly helped that sorry. I'll try to keep it more substantial.

Regardless of whom he has on why are we giving Joe Rogan oxygen here.

nodesocket 5y ago

Because diversity of thought, but sounds like you are happy being a sheep.

NullPrefix 5y ago

Yes. Let's not waste time on the message because the messenger is not of the correct political faction.

michaelmrose 5y ago
Basically I view the Republicans as either nazis or people willing to bed down with nazis so yes I agree we shouldn't waste time on such people.
- Sholmesy 5y ago
  Joe Rogan does not identify with the Republican party, I believe he voted Democrat in the last election.
  - michaelmrose 5y ago
    >I can’t vote for that guy. I’d rather vote for Trump than [Biden]. I don’t think he can handle anything. You’re relying entirely on his cabinet. If you want to talk about an individual leader who can communicate, he can’t do that. And we don’t know what the f— he’ll be like after a year in office.’ Joe Rogan repeating outright lies about Biden being senile and incapable of communication in order to justify voting for a man he himself has called dangerous and a moron. What do you call a person who proclaims he's voting for a dangerous moron?
    - ephextom 5y ago
      Is that quote really your smoking gun evidence that Rogan is Republican or Republican-supporting? Try and replace the names with people who don't have a political charge attached, and try to honestly assess whether it's such an outrageous thing to say. He didn't say he would vote Trump and there's no evidence that he did. He was simply commenting that Biden was in decline, which was and is increasingly there for everyone to observe, and is highly concerning for a person who holds the most powerful office in the world. You can disagree that his cognitive impairment disqualifies him from being president, fine, but to make that kind of comment is just not deserving of the outrage, and clearly the media whipped it up and perpetuated it in order to keep us all clicking and arguing.
- imaginariet 5y ago
  So the half of US who voted Republicans, including a lot of black people and latino people are nazis or willing to bed down with them?
  - michaelmrose 5y ago
    Half the US didn't vote for Republicans its more like 47% overwhelmingly tilted towards white men especially those with no educational achievement. Looking back over the last 41 years at least of my life as a white man I would have been substantially better off if white men couldn't vote. It's embarrassing and yes these people including neighbors, some family even are bad people willing to bed down with nazis.
    - imaginariet 5y ago
      Good catch correcting me that 47% is not half. Are you saying that the votes of uneducated people should be worth less than those of college educated people?
      - michaelmrose 5y ago
        I'm saying that objectively people who are privileged by existing broken systems and people who are uneducated both make bad choices. If we made college free I would absolutely be OK with making completing a degree a prerequisite to being allowed to vote along with an IQ test every 10 years excluding people under 90 and a pop quiz on current events where people who couldn't answer such questions as who their senators are would see their vote go straight in the trash. Excluding people who are lazy, stupid, or ignorant would result in a better decision making process. None of this is politically possible.
        imaginariet 5y ago
        > people who couldn't answer such questions as who their senators are would see their vote go straight in the trash Your proposal would send to the trash the votes of 90% of black people. How progressive... > Only 16 percent of Latinos and 10 percent of African-Americans were able to correctly identify one senator from his or her home state > 77 percent of Americans between 18 and 34 could not name one senator in his or her home state https://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/poll-millennials-state-senators-114867 https://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/poll-millennials-stat... Maybe we should just remove voting altogether and just have 20 PhDs from Harvard/Standford/Yale and MIT decide who should run the country to avoid the unwashed masses decide such an important aspect of our life.
sudosysgen 5y ago
Joe Rogan doesn't even have a political faction beyond that of his latest guest really. I don't think it's about politics, Joe Rogan is just very low SNR unless you're tuning in to a particular guest.
- blahblahblogger 5y ago
  He doesn't identify with the Republican party, but he is a "disaffected democrat" - a group that increasingly has seen the democratic party leave them, rather than them leaving the party. Joe may be considered right-wing by the "new democrats", who are the most vocal portions of the democratic party (the "woke" folks, even if they aren't the majority of the party currently, but they are becoming the future of the party) - this is despite Joe's views not changing much from where they were a couple decades ago. It's the party that's shifted. It's like comedian Tim Dillon said, "I woke up one day and was asked if we should still have police and borders, and I said yes we should. Now I'm apparently a nazi." He is a comedian and this is somewhat tongue and cheek but reflects the disaffected nature and cynicism many of these folks now have for the democratic party.
  - systemvoltage 5y ago
    This is what happens when social media algorithms controlling the entire world, let alone the USA are developed on the belief system of a small neighborhood in Silicon Valley. https://www.economist.com/international/2021/06/12/social-media-are-turbocharging-the-export-of-americas-political-culture https://www.economist.com/international/2021/06/12/social-me...

warning26 5y ago

Agreed, Joe Rogan is, at best, a somewhat misleading entertainer, and at worst an evil propagandist. It should be a crime to give him airtime.

ThrowInTheOven 5y ago

Yeah, we should probably throw everyone in the oven who doesn't adhere to our worldview. /s I sometimes wonder who the news is talking about re: fascism, but then I see it here: talking about not giving someone oxygen on HN who YOU don't agree with. Everyone must comply!!!! Perhaps you need to calm down?

michaelmrose 5y ago
My statement was as measured and calm as this one is as contrasted with you creating a throwaway exclusively to freak out and post this rabid screed with an over the top analogy, followed by a sentence with 4 exclamation points, followed by an exhortation for me to calm down. Don't create throwaways in order to post verbal seizures.
- s9w 5y ago
  all non-leftie viewpoints are banned here, so that point is moot. Also he is right, this is a blatant call for censorship.

dang 5y ago

Could you please follow the site guidelines? You broke them badly in this thread, producing (and feeding) a dumb, tedious flamewar. Note these, from https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: "Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity." We've had to ask you about this more than once before. That's not cool. Eventually we ban such accounts, and I don't want to ban you. If you wouldn't mind reviewing the guidelines and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

michaelmrose 5y ago
The thread went to pot and I certainly helped that sorry. I'll try to keep it more substantial.