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IMO the big draw of running K8S on my home server is the unified API. I can take my Helm chart and move it to whatever cloud super easily and tweak it for scali

IMO the big draw of running K8S on my home server is the unified API. I can take my Helm chart and move it to whatever cloud super easily and tweak it for scaling in seconds. This solution from the post is yet another config system to learn, which is fine, but is sort of the antithesis of why I like K8S. I could see it being theoretically useful for someone who will never use K8S (eg not a software engineer by trade, so will never work a job that uses K8s), but IMO those people are probably running VM’s on their home servers instead since how may non software engineers are going to learn and use docker-compose but not K8S? Anecdotal, but anyone I know running home lab setups that aren’t software guys are doing vSphere or Proxmox or whatever equivalent for their home usecases. But I know a lot of old school sysadmin guys, so YMMV.

debarshri 5y ago
I agree with you. It is an anti-thesis that is why it is marketed as anti-kubernetes toolset. You cannot avoid learning k8s, you will end up encountering it everywhere, whether you like it or not. It is the tech-buzz word for past few years followed by cloud native and devops. I really thinking if you wish to be great engineer and truly respect new general tools in generally, you have to go through the route setting up proxmox cluster, loading images, building those VM templates etc. Jumping directly on containers and cloud you kind of skip steps. It is not bad, you do miss our on few foundational concepts, around networking, operating systems etc. The way I would put it is - A chef who is also farming their own vegetables a.k.a setting up your own clusters and deploying your apps VS a chef who goes to high-end wholeseller to buy premium vegetables does not care how it is grown aka. developers using kubernetes and container orchestration, PaaS.
thefunnyman 5y ago
I’ve been working on using k3s for my home cluster for this exact reason. I run it in a vm on top of proxmox, using packer, terraform, and ansible to deploy. My thought process here is that if I ever want to introduce more nodes or switch to a public cloud I could do so somewhat easily (either with a managed k8s offer, or just by migrating my VMs). I’ve also toyed with the idea of running some services on public cloud and some more sensitive services on my own infra.
- skrtskrt 5y ago
  I have been doing k3s on a Digital Ocean droplet and I would say k3s has really given me an opportunity to learn some k8s basics without truly having to install and stand up every single component of a usable k8s cluster (ingress provider, etc) on my own. It took a bit to figure out setting up an https cert provider but then it was pretty much off to the races
  - thawkins 5y ago
    I use kind with podman running rootless, it only works on systems with cgroup2 enabled. But it's very cool. Conventional k8s with docker has a number of security gotchas that stem from it effectivly running the containers as root. With rootless podman k8s, it is easy to provide all your devs with local k8s setups without handing them root/sudo access to run it. This is something that has only recently started working right as more container components and runtimes started to support cgroup2.

debarshri 5y ago

I agree with you. It is an anti-thesis that is why it is marketed as anti-kubernetes toolset. You cannot avoid learning k8s, you will end up encountering it everywhere, whether you like it or not. It is the tech-buzz word for past few years followed by cloud native and devops. I really thinking if you wish to be great engineer and truly respect new general tools in generally, you have to go through the route setting up proxmox cluster, loading images, building those VM templates etc. Jumping directly on containers and cloud you kind of skip steps. It is not bad, you do miss our on few foundational concepts, around networking, operating systems etc. The way I would put it is - A chef who is also farming their own vegetables a.k.a setting up your own clusters and deploying your apps VS a chef who goes to high-end wholeseller to buy premium vegetables does not care how it is grown aka. developers using kubernetes and container orchestration, PaaS.

thefunnyman 5y ago

I’ve been working on using k3s for my home cluster for this exact reason. I run it in a vm on top of proxmox, using packer, terraform, and ansible to deploy. My thought process here is that if I ever want to introduce more nodes or switch to a public cloud I could do so somewhat easily (either with a managed k8s offer, or just by migrating my VMs). I’ve also toyed with the idea of running some services on public cloud and some more sensitive services on my own infra.

skrtskrt 5y ago
I have been doing k3s on a Digital Ocean droplet and I would say k3s has really given me an opportunity to learn some k8s basics without truly having to install and stand up every single component of a usable k8s cluster (ingress provider, etc) on my own. It took a bit to figure out setting up an https cert provider but then it was pretty much off to the races
- thawkins 5y ago
  I use kind with podman running rootless, it only works on systems with cgroup2 enabled. But it's very cool. Conventional k8s with docker has a number of security gotchas that stem from it effectivly running the containers as root. With rootless podman k8s, it is easy to provide all your devs with local k8s setups without handing them root/sudo access to run it. This is something that has only recently started working right as more container components and runtimes started to support cgroup2.