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Good! Toyota has been sabotaging clean cars because they can't compete [1][2]. Most well known car brands have great electric cars now, but Toyota and their oi

Good! Toyota has been sabotaging clean cars because they can't compete [1][2]. Most well known car brands have great electric cars now, but Toyota and their oil lobby buddies are trying to halt the progress. The decline of Toyota sales is good news for the world. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/25/climate/toyota-electric-hydrogen.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/25/climate/toyota-electric-h... [2] https://insideevs.com/features/524481/toyota-hybrid-pioneer-delaying-evs/ https://insideevs.com/features/524481/toyota-hybrid-pioneer-...

da_big_ghey 5y ago
Toyota is not "sabotaging clean cars", only trying to delay regulations.
- Ma8ee 5y ago
  So not sabotaging, only obstructing. I'm so pissed at all the auto-makers (with the exception of Tesla). The writing has been on the wall for at least a decade in large neon letters, but they all seem taken by surprise that they suddenly have to produce electric cars.
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
    Psst you can avoid all of those issues by not buying Toyota. Stop trying to regulate everyone else into what you want. If these EV's are so good it shouldn't be an issue at all.
    - space_rock 5y ago
      Stop polluting the cities and atmosphere and then it'll be none of our business
      - CountDrewku 5y ago
        I bike religiously so sorry you're not going to one up me on the "polluting" less scale. Are you going to come take my ICE vehicle from me? Didn't think so. Drop the authoritarianism it's unbecoming. There's a great country I can suggest you to move to if you want government control over everyone, feel free to PM me for details.
      - da_big_ghey 5y ago
        Position in many of cases I have heard has been that electric vehicle is just as good. Are you taking a position that they are representing some quality of life decrease and that the state must force us to accept this?
        space_rock 5y ago
        Do whatever you want but if you pollute the atmosphere you'll pay for it. Communism doesn't work. User pays
  - da_big_ghey 5y ago
    This still is not "obstructing". Only it is trying to slow down coercive mandate alone, no obstacle to consumer buying an electric car on own initiative!
hownottowrite 5y ago
Please write back when Tesla learns how to correctly apply paint to a car or fit body panels, or well, pretty much everything else that makes an actual car a car instead of a disposable gadget.
- greenonions 5y ago
  Ah yes, the most important function of a car, the paint...
  - skhr0680 5y ago
    If you want a car to last more than five minutes, then yes, paint is very important
  - altcognito 5y ago
    Rust is a thing.
    - jve 5y ago
      Don't know if any Tesla car is aluminum, but Tesla Model P surely is. Edit: Alright, maybe declining trend: https://electrek.co/2017/08/22/tesla-model-3-body-alloy-mix/ https://electrek.co/2017/08/22/tesla-model-3-body-alloy-mix/
      - rightbyte 5y ago
        I wonder if old alu cars will suffer from metal fatigue.
  - orwin 5y ago
    The tone of GP is poor, but yes, the paint is really important if you want your car to last more than 5 years, especially if you live near the sea. And if you only take your car out on weekend and summers and can not put your car in a garage, a poor paint job will cost you even more.
- colordrops 5y ago
heresie-dabord 5y ago
Large-battery EVs (LBEVs) are an unscalable luxury, both for cost and recharging infrastructure. Even if Toyota has chosen to advance its interests more aggressively, the criticism of the EV market is valid. The electrical infrastructures of the US and the EU are not able to support a total adoption of EVs, especially not LBEVs. Consumers appear to be choosing LBEVs, not small-battery EVs. They want range even though most people need only a range of less than 100km. [1] Toyota's (or anyone else's) hybrid vehicles are a better choice for combination short-range/long-range drivers, where short trips are clean, and long trips use the energy density of petrol. IMHO what Toyota should be doing is adding a larger battery to its hybrids, e.g. 17 kWh instead of 8.8 kWh. I believe the Honda Clarity has a 17 kWh battery. From your articles: “Toyota’s view is also that countries are jumping in with the idea of the electric-vehicle endgame without a real plan, and it’s more political showmanship than sound planning,” Mr. Liker said. Toyota will inevitably be marketing EVs, though. "For one, China, an important market for Toyota, has moved aggressively to require automakers there to make electric vehicles. That has spurred Toyota to start producing electric cars under a joint venture." [1] https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128626_why-you-really-don-t-need-your-ev-to-go-500-miles https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128626_why-you-really-...

da_big_ghey 5y ago

Toyota is not "sabotaging clean cars", only trying to delay regulations.

Ma8ee 5y ago
So not sabotaging, only obstructing. I'm so pissed at all the auto-makers (with the exception of Tesla). The writing has been on the wall for at least a decade in large neon letters, but they all seem taken by surprise that they suddenly have to produce electric cars.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  Psst you can avoid all of those issues by not buying Toyota. Stop trying to regulate everyone else into what you want. If these EV's are so good it shouldn't be an issue at all.
  - space_rock 5y ago
    Stop polluting the cities and atmosphere and then it'll be none of our business
    - CountDrewku 5y ago
      I bike religiously so sorry you're not going to one up me on the "polluting" less scale. Are you going to come take my ICE vehicle from me? Didn't think so. Drop the authoritarianism it's unbecoming. There's a great country I can suggest you to move to if you want government control over everyone, feel free to PM me for details.
    - da_big_ghey 5y ago
      Position in many of cases I have heard has been that electric vehicle is just as good. Are you taking a position that they are representing some quality of life decrease and that the state must force us to accept this?
      - space_rock 5y ago
        Do whatever you want but if you pollute the atmosphere you'll pay for it. Communism doesn't work. User pays
- da_big_ghey 5y ago
  This still is not "obstructing". Only it is trying to slow down coercive mandate alone, no obstacle to consumer buying an electric car on own initiative!

hownottowrite 5y ago

Please write back when Tesla learns how to correctly apply paint to a car or fit body panels, or well, pretty much everything else that makes an actual car a car instead of a disposable gadget.

greenonions 5y ago
Ah yes, the most important function of a car, the paint...
- skhr0680 5y ago
  If you want a car to last more than five minutes, then yes, paint is very important
- altcognito 5y ago
  Rust is a thing.
  - jve 5y ago
    Don't know if any Tesla car is aluminum, but Tesla Model P surely is. Edit: Alright, maybe declining trend: https://electrek.co/2017/08/22/tesla-model-3-body-alloy-mix/ https://electrek.co/2017/08/22/tesla-model-3-body-alloy-mix/
    - rightbyte 5y ago
      I wonder if old alu cars will suffer from metal fatigue.
- orwin 5y ago
  The tone of GP is poor, but yes, the paint is really important if you want your car to last more than 5 years, especially if you live near the sea. And if you only take your car out on weekend and summers and can not put your car in a garage, a poor paint job will cost you even more.
colordrops 5y ago

heresie-dabord 5y ago

Large-battery EVs (LBEVs) are an unscalable luxury, both for cost and recharging infrastructure. Even if Toyota has chosen to advance its interests more aggressively, the criticism of the EV market is valid. The electrical infrastructures of the US and the EU are not able to support a total adoption of EVs, especially not LBEVs. Consumers appear to be choosing LBEVs, not small-battery EVs. They want range even though most people need only a range of less than 100km. [1] Toyota's (or anyone else's) hybrid vehicles are a better choice for combination short-range/long-range drivers, where short trips are clean, and long trips use the energy density of petrol. IMHO what Toyota should be doing is adding a larger battery to its hybrids, e.g. 17 kWh instead of 8.8 kWh. I believe the Honda Clarity has a 17 kWh battery. From your articles: “Toyota’s view is also that countries are jumping in with the idea of the electric-vehicle endgame without a real plan, and it’s more political showmanship than sound planning,” Mr. Liker said. Toyota will inevitably be marketing EVs, though. "For one, China, an important market for Toyota, has moved aggressively to require automakers there to make electric vehicles. That has spurred Toyota to start producing electric cars under a joint venture." [1] https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128626_why-you-really-don-t-need-your-ev-to-go-500-miles https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128626_why-you-really-...