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> Section 1. I hereby order that a covered entity shall not permit a patron, full- or part-time employee, intern, volunteer, or contractor to enter a covered p
by nanis 5y ago
> Section 1. I hereby order that a covered entity shall not permit a patron, full- or part-time employee, intern, volunteer, or contractor to enter a covered premises without displaying proof of vaccination and identification bearing the same identifying information as the proof of vaccination.
While people in other countries may be used to always having to carry identification, this is rather provocative in a city and state which does not require identification, among other situations, when you register to vote or vote. It is also deputizing museum workers, gym owners, restaurant waitstaff as identity checkers. This will presumably drive all those business to install identity check solutions used by bars but expand their used to a whole range of activities. It is an amazing amount of extra tracking/surveillance that is being introduced to everyone's everyday activities and is an intrusion into the lives of all, vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.
- vineyardmike 5y ago> It is an amazing amount of extra tracking/surveillance that is being introduced to everyone's everyday activities and is an intrusion into the lives of all, vaccinated and unvaccinated alike. A simple regulation could also make this safe from surveillance while still allowing verification: Allow people to check identity, but make it illegal to store or share this information. There are so many small, simple laws that could go long ways to protect people from surveillance while still allowing us to do new things to protect us. I wish we got 10% of the obvious laws many people want.
- mikecoles 5y agoI agree. Keeping only 10% of the laws is a fine start.
- derriz 5y ago"this is rather provocative in a city and state which does not require identification" I've spent not more than a couple of weeks in total in the NY and during that time I was required to produce identification more times than I had in years spent in various continental European countries - where in theory you were obliged to carry Id with you at all times. Just because I wanted to buy a beer or order wine with food in a bar or restaurant. I was in my late 20s at the time. It's just what you're used to.
- nanis 5y agoPlease quote correctly. I said: > this is rather provocative in a city and state which does not require identification, among other situations, when you register to vote or vote.
- derriz 5y agoI don't feel I distorted your claim very much? In full: "While people in other countries may be used to always having to carry identification, this is rather provocative in a city and state which does not require identification, among other situations, when you register to vote or vote" I don't know why it's so provocative compared to us people from "other countries" as my experience in the US involved being required to present identification far more frequently than I had in many European countries. I'm not sure the full quote changes my point much?
- kevin_thibedeau 5y agoNY state does require you to identify yourself to police upon request. You don't have to carry a document to achieve that, however.
- tw04 5y ago> It is also deputizing museum workers, gym owners, restaurant waitstaff as identity checkers. restaurant waitstaff as identity checkers Every gym I've ever been a member of requires you to validate your ID. You either swipe your membership card (which has your personal information tied to it), or provide your license to get into the gym. If you can't provide either, they aren't letting you in the door. Every restaurant in the US is already supposed to validate your ID when you order an alcoholic drink. Bars won't even let you in the door without showing an ID. I don't think anyone is happy this is required, but when people that are unvaccinated decide to put others at risk because they don't want to be inconvenienced, this is what happens.
- mikecoles 5y agoNo, this is what happens when politicians see an opportunity to get on a soapbox. What bars won't let you walk in without showing an ID? Maybe a college town, but it is rare elsewhere.
- lancesells 5y agoAny bars with a doorman are usually checking ID where I live.
- tw04 5y agoPretty much any bar in a downtown area of a major metro on the weekends has a bouncer at the door. There’s no planet on which the bartenders could keep up if they had to check everyone’s ID. I suppose you may find the one off who doesn’t but their liquor license won’t last long.
- jwilber 5y agoI lived in Arizona for two years, Michigan for one year, New York for three years, Washington state for two years, California for the rest of my life. Liberal cities, conservative cities, and towns with and without colleges. Have visited a bar in well over thirty different states. The only time I’ve been let into a bar without showing ID was in New York City. “Rare.”
- dragonwriter 5y ago> While people in other countries may be used to always having to carry identification, this is rather provocative in a city and state which does not require identification, among other situations, when you register to vote or vote. It is also deputizing museum workers, gym owners, restaurant waitstaff as identity checkers. Restaurant waitstaff are already regularly “deputized” that way by alcoholic beverage control laws.