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I thought that the Patriot Act was not renewed as of December 2020. It failed to pass in the Senate because Trump threatened a veto. [1] [1] https://en.wikiped

I thought that the Patriot Act was not renewed as of December 2020. It failed to pass in the Senate because Trump threatened a veto. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act#cite_note-256 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act#cite_note-256

ipaddr 5y ago
Interesting no one reported this. Either everyone missed this or it is still in place.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
  Short answer, its spirit lives on. Not to search very far, FinCEN did not stop contacting financial institutions for 314(a) compliance. https://www.fincen.gov/sites/default/files/shared/314afactsheet.pdf https://www.fincen.gov/sites/default/files/shared/314afactsh...
  - datavirtue 5y ago
    I'm on a huge greenfield application project at a major bank to collect and send patriot act mandated information to FinCEN. The Patriot act expiring did not even come up and I had no idea it expired. I thought it was a shoe-in for rubber stamping.
- MichaelApproved 5y ago
  EFF reported on it. https://eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/section-215-expired-year-review-2020 https://eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/section-215-expired-year-r... > "On March 15, 2020, Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act—a surveillance law with a rich history of government overreach and abuse—expired due to its sunset clause. Along with two other PATRIOT Act provisions, Section 215 lapsed after lawmakers failed to reach an agreement on a broader set of reforms to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA)."
- LeifCarrotson 5y ago
  In their defense, there has been an awful lot going on. The EFF reported on the expiration in the brief window when there were no authorizations: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/04/yes-section-215-expired-now-what https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/04/yes-section-215-expire... It's being reintroduced as the equally doublespeak "USA FREEDOM Reauthorization Act": https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6172 https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6172 I'd be interested to know if any behavior was changed during the few weeks that the permissions were not covered by either law.
  - adventured 5y ago
    To be fair, they do have to reauthorize the Freedom Unmitigated Bill for Appropriations Reconciliation Defense act every year or we're not allowed to leave our homes. Those F35-Liberty planes aren't going to pay for themselves.
    - vmception 5y ago
      this is the second backronym pun I've seen today, whats going on? rate-limit edit: I don't think Baader Meinhoff applies when I already know what a backcronym is and also have to extrapolate the first letter of all the words to get the joke. Was there a show or pop culture thing that has people leaning towards this joke? If anything, this could be a perceptive bias where I am forcing meaning into something, but a FUBAR Defense Act is exactly what that poster was going for. Who knows about the other one I saw earlier.
      - vlovich123 5y ago
        Likely just Baader–Meinhof phenomenon[1]. Interestingly, I think that phenomenon ignores the superset of when you actually had seen something multiple times before but for whatever reason started noticing the frequency more frequently (eg you’ve seen backronym’s before, but you’re happening but your brain has decided to notice them more because maybe you saw them in quicker succession than you’re used to). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion
- adamrezich 5y ago
  definitely interesting but certainly unsurprising
rolph 5y ago
this suggests many of the processes that have become constituative due to patriot act, maybe are still occurring outside of a legal framework, it seems patriot act is still in the system even if not renewed

ipaddr 5y ago

Interesting no one reported this. Either everyone missed this or it is still in place.

A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
Short answer, its spirit lives on. Not to search very far, FinCEN did not stop contacting financial institutions for 314(a) compliance. https://www.fincen.gov/sites/default/files/shared/314afactsheet.pdf https://www.fincen.gov/sites/default/files/shared/314afactsh...
- datavirtue 5y ago
  I'm on a huge greenfield application project at a major bank to collect and send patriot act mandated information to FinCEN. The Patriot act expiring did not even come up and I had no idea it expired. I thought it was a shoe-in for rubber stamping.
MichaelApproved 5y ago
EFF reported on it. https://eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/section-215-expired-year-review-2020 https://eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/section-215-expired-year-r... > "On March 15, 2020, Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act—a surveillance law with a rich history of government overreach and abuse—expired due to its sunset clause. Along with two other PATRIOT Act provisions, Section 215 lapsed after lawmakers failed to reach an agreement on a broader set of reforms to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA)."
LeifCarrotson 5y ago
In their defense, there has been an awful lot going on. The EFF reported on the expiration in the brief window when there were no authorizations: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/04/yes-section-215-expired-now-what https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/04/yes-section-215-expire... It's being reintroduced as the equally doublespeak "USA FREEDOM Reauthorization Act": https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6172 https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6172 I'd be interested to know if any behavior was changed during the few weeks that the permissions were not covered by either law.
- adventured 5y ago
  To be fair, they do have to reauthorize the Freedom Unmitigated Bill for Appropriations Reconciliation Defense act every year or we're not allowed to leave our homes. Those F35-Liberty planes aren't going to pay for themselves.
  - vmception 5y ago
    this is the second backronym pun I've seen today, whats going on? rate-limit edit: I don't think Baader Meinhoff applies when I already know what a backcronym is and also have to extrapolate the first letter of all the words to get the joke. Was there a show or pop culture thing that has people leaning towards this joke? If anything, this could be a perceptive bias where I am forcing meaning into something, but a FUBAR Defense Act is exactly what that poster was going for. Who knows about the other one I saw earlier.
    - vlovich123 5y ago
      Likely just Baader–Meinhof phenomenon[1]. Interestingly, I think that phenomenon ignores the superset of when you actually had seen something multiple times before but for whatever reason started noticing the frequency more frequently (eg you’ve seen backronym’s before, but you’re happening but your brain has decided to notice them more because maybe you saw them in quicker succession than you’re used to). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion
adamrezich 5y ago
definitely interesting but certainly unsurprising

rolph 5y ago

this suggests many of the processes that have become constituative due to patriot act, maybe are still occurring outside of a legal framework, it seems patriot act is still in the system even if not renewed