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Wouldn't it be difficult to find other developers that are experienced using Elm? I don't know much about it tbh. Probably, one of my biggest career mistakes w

Wouldn't it be difficult to find other developers that are experienced using Elm? I don't know much about it tbh. Probably, one of my biggest career mistakes was opting for a little known PHP cms instead of WP as I thought it would be easier for the stakeholders to work with the limited options. Since then, I've always avoided going away from the mainstream toolset.

g_delgado14 5y ago
> Wouldn't it be difficult to find other developers that are experienced using Elm? Yes, however: - Elm has a very small surface area (you can read through the guide [0] in a weekend) - There are many folks who love functional programming && are willing to learn Elm So, given those two facts, the lack of Elm developers compared to other "markets" is not a big issue. For me, personally, the only risk with Elm is its incredibly opaque development. It's led by Elm's BDFL and a few other folks and it's almost as though they go out of their way to make Elm hard to adopt for outsiders. For example, all you have to do is change elm's version to 1.0.0 to signal to outsiders that, yes .. Elm is and has been production ready for quite a while now (years?). Instead "insiders" will reason and rant about how 0.19.1 is fine. ---- [0] - https://guide.elm-lang.org/ https://guide.elm-lang.org/
- blowski 5y ago
  I appreciate that I am biased because of my background, but I've met precisely one person who's used Elm while just about every dev I know has worked with WordPress at some point. For most enterprises I work with, 10 years in production is about close as they're willing to get to the bleeding edge. They don't really care about code quality or features. They want to be safe, secure and future-proof for as low a price as possible. That said, I know very little about Elm and would love to understand more about what it offers that's so exciting. I skim-read the article, will read in more detail later.
  - matsemann 5y ago
    My bias is the opposite, probably because I've worked at an Elm shop. But I know zero people with wordpress experience, in my circles I'm the only one I know of with professional php experience at all. But I need more than my hands to count all elm programmers I know.
MichaelGlass 5y ago
FWIW our experience has been: - finding devs with experience is hard - finding great devs who want to use interesting tooling is easy In the end, we hire interesting, curious devs, and ask them to use tooling (elm) that has a pretty shallow learning curve. I think bootstrapping a project in Elm without any experience on the team could be tough, but once you have some expertise, the seeds you plant in yield abundant fruit. At NoRedInk it's been a great success -- especially with regards to "finding other developers".
- 1-more 5y ago
  Go off king

g_delgado14 5y ago

> Wouldn't it be difficult to find other developers that are experienced using Elm? Yes, however: - Elm has a very small surface area (you can read through the guide [0] in a weekend) - There are many folks who love functional programming && are willing to learn Elm So, given those two facts, the lack of Elm developers compared to other "markets" is not a big issue. For me, personally, the only risk with Elm is its incredibly opaque development. It's led by Elm's BDFL and a few other folks and it's almost as though they go out of their way to make Elm hard to adopt for outsiders. For example, all you have to do is change elm's version to 1.0.0 to signal to outsiders that, yes .. Elm is and has been production ready for quite a while now (years?). Instead "insiders" will reason and rant about how 0.19.1 is fine. ---- [0] - https://guide.elm-lang.org/ https://guide.elm-lang.org/

blowski 5y ago
I appreciate that I am biased because of my background, but I've met precisely one person who's used Elm while just about every dev I know has worked with WordPress at some point. For most enterprises I work with, 10 years in production is about close as they're willing to get to the bleeding edge. They don't really care about code quality or features. They want to be safe, secure and future-proof for as low a price as possible. That said, I know very little about Elm and would love to understand more about what it offers that's so exciting. I skim-read the article, will read in more detail later.
- matsemann 5y ago
  My bias is the opposite, probably because I've worked at an Elm shop. But I know zero people with wordpress experience, in my circles I'm the only one I know of with professional php experience at all. But I need more than my hands to count all elm programmers I know.

MichaelGlass 5y ago

FWIW our experience has been: - finding devs with experience is hard - finding great devs who want to use interesting tooling is easy In the end, we hire interesting, curious devs, and ask them to use tooling (elm) that has a pretty shallow learning curve. I think bootstrapping a project in Elm without any experience on the team could be tough, but once you have some expertise, the seeds you plant in yield abundant fruit. At NoRedInk it's been a great success -- especially with regards to "finding other developers".

1-more 5y ago
Go off king