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I'm wondering why if this continues happening the US consulates have not put in some kind of detection hardware? Seems like an easy solution

by pentae 5y ago

shadowgovt 5y ago
We're still at the phase of this story where we don't actually know what's going on. WSJ is reporting on it like it's understood, but the conclusion of NASEM (https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-diplomats-illnesses-likely-linked-to-pulsed-energy-attack-11607278210?mod=article_inline https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-diplomats-illnesses-likely-...) was that more research is needed. Hard to detect "directed, pulsed radio frequency (RF) energy" when you have no idea what you're actually looking for. If you go looking at the bulk of the electromagnetic spectrum for correlators to a vague symptom list, you'll definitely find them but be no closer to explaining causality (or finding culprits).
- KingOfCoders 5y ago
  "Hard to detect "directed, pulsed radio frequency (RF) energy" when you have no idea what you're actually looking for" Hard to believe, any source for this?
  - shadowgovt 5y ago
    Radio physics. If you don't know where in the frequency band your signal is or what it's shaped like, then if you go hunting, you'll find something. Many things, in fact. You now have the task of taking all those correlations and making a causal story for them causing your sick patients' symptoms. Depending on how wide the net is you're casting (in frequencies, time, locations of target, and possible attack signal patterns), this is SETI@Home stuff. And if we have no idea what we're looking for, we're going to have to cast a wide net.
kube-system 5y ago
Do we know that they haven't?
nradov 5y ago
No one knows exactly what to detect. Is it chemical? Sonic? Electromagnetic?
- blahblahblogger 5y ago
  right ... wouldn't they need to at some point start narrowing things down?
- zug_zug 5y ago
  Why not put a sensor for all of the above? Seems like the obvious thing to do for information safety reasons, as well as health reasons. The only situation where it wouldn't make sense to do this is if we already knew the cause, and it was something we had built.
- petre 5y ago
  It's suspected to be microwaves so maybe a SDR that sweeps all wavebands with antennas placed aroud windows should be a good starting point?

I'm wondering why if this continues happening the US consulates have not put in some kind of detection hardware? Seems like an easy solution

by pentae 5y ago

I'm wondering why if this continues happening the US consulates have not put in some kind of detection hardware? Seems like an easy solution

shadowgovt 5y ago

We're still at the phase of this story where we don't actually know what's going on. WSJ is reporting on it like it's understood, but the conclusion of NASEM (https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-diplomats-illnesses-likely-linked-to-pulsed-energy-attack-11607278210?mod=article_inline https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-diplomats-illnesses-likely-...) was that more research is needed. Hard to detect "directed, pulsed radio frequency (RF) energy" when you have no idea what you're actually looking for. If you go looking at the bulk of the electromagnetic spectrum for correlators to a vague symptom list, you'll definitely find them but be no closer to explaining causality (or finding culprits).

KingOfCoders 5y ago
"Hard to detect "directed, pulsed radio frequency (RF) energy" when you have no idea what you're actually looking for" Hard to believe, any source for this?
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  Radio physics. If you don't know where in the frequency band your signal is or what it's shaped like, then if you go hunting, you'll find something. Many things, in fact. You now have the task of taking all those correlations and making a causal story for them causing your sick patients' symptoms. Depending on how wide the net is you're casting (in frequencies, time, locations of target, and possible attack signal patterns), this is SETI@Home stuff. And if we have no idea what we're looking for, we're going to have to cast a wide net.

kube-system 5y ago

Do we know that they haven't?

nradov 5y ago

No one knows exactly what to detect. Is it chemical? Sonic? Electromagnetic?

blahblahblogger 5y ago
right ... wouldn't they need to at some point start narrowing things down?
zug_zug 5y ago
Why not put a sensor for all of the above? Seems like the obvious thing to do for information safety reasons, as well as health reasons. The only situation where it wouldn't make sense to do this is if we already knew the cause, and it was something we had built.
petre 5y ago
It's suspected to be microwaves so maybe a SDR that sweeps all wavebands with antennas placed aroud windows should be a good starting point?