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I'd point out two things: While the valley definitely skews the high end in America, it employs a fraction of the total developers in the US. There's the othe
by tw04 5y ago
I'd point out two things:
While the valley definitely skews the high end in America, it employs a fraction of the total developers in the US. There's the other 90% of the country that doesn't live in the valley that works in those very same "corporate development" jobs that are in Europe. You don't think companies like Walmart, State Farm, Allstate, Epic*, Target, Best Buy, UHG, Dell*, IBM* etc. etc. employ boatloads of developers all outside of the bay area? They should similarly bring down the average pay.
It's also unfair to say Europe doesn't have development jobs... heck SAP is the third largest software producer in the world and they're based in Europe. SuSE is still headquartered there. I have no doubt there are plenty of startups there as well.
*for accuracy - Epic, IBM, and Dell are all at least partially software companies but employ a ton of people outside of the bay area
- wayoutthere 5y agoI do consulting work for those kinds of clients, and we’re having a hard time hiring engineers with a few years experience below $150k. Previous talent shortages were primarily for that top 10% of developer talent / salary, but this one feels different because grunt-level unsexy corporate IT technologists are also in short supply.
- the_only_law 5y agoIt’s interesting how ever within the US, there seem to be worlds of difference. > grunt-level unsexy corporate IT technologists are also in short supply This describes my work experience, and I don’t think I could even get six figures, or would barely break that.
- wayoutthere 5y agoYeah, the difference is that your average corporation is sitting on a 10% net margin and tech product companies are sitting on a 35% net margin. Product companies are bidding for the best talent among eachother. Corporate IT simply cannot afford to compete with them on salary because their margins don’t support it. I think we’re going to see a real bifurcation of the economy along these margin lines, where the “haves” and “have nots” are determined by the industry and company you work in.
- the_only_law 5y ago> I think we’re going to see a real bifurcation of the economy along these margin lines, where the “haves” and “have nots” are determined by the industry and company you work in. More interesting to me is how difficult it seems to be to move between these, and I imagine it will only et worse.
- copenja 5y agoEpic pays pretty well. I've seen senior developers getting 350k plus total comp, so it's not horrible.