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How can anyone say there's a worker deficit when we're so far below pre-pandemic employment? Maybe they should fix some of the issues preventing people from re

How can anyone say there's a worker deficit when we're so far below pre-pandemic employment? Maybe they should fix some of the issues preventing people from returning to work (childcare, pandemic restrictions) before complaining...

forz877 5y ago
Pandemic restrictions are pretty much nonexistent in large swaths of the US that have similar problems. There is certainly a worker deficit. Our society has moved up the stack and isn't bringing in enough cheap immigrant labor anymore to work the jobs even poor americans won't accept anymore.
- Supermancho 5y ago
  Example, in North Dakota where you can get a union Costco job for 18$+/hr (or chick fila for 17/hr) there are plenty of places (including hospitals) offering 15$/hr and they can't find people to fill the slots. Your dog grooming is paying 11$/hr? That's just another business going bust. Businesses who were on a shoestring fail and yuppies continue to move in. The regional+national inflation has simply left large chunks of business in the dust without very cheap (immigrant) labor. This causes the makeshift infrastructure to weaken and the communities start to come apart.
  - fosk 5y ago
    Wouldn’t this incentivize automation?
    - Supermancho 5y ago
      What does that even mean? How do you incentivize automation for things like surgical tool sterilization (the aforementioned 15$/hr) or pet grooming, for which there is no "automation". Especially when you're working with populations in the thousands or 10s of thousands (eg cities like Bismarck or Billings), who would invest in that? Amazon is dropping in distribution centers from time to time at 15$ an hour when a municipal area gets to be over 100k pop, but that's just one vendor and one vertical.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      Incentives do not necessarily lead to accomplishments.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    I was under the impression that Costco only had union employees in California and a couple east coast states. The vast, vast majority of Costco employees are not in a union.
  - pyronik19 5y ago
    Decades of wreckless government money printing for helicopter cash is catching up.
dehrmann 5y ago
> childcare The article claimed this was negligible. > How can anyone say there's a worker deficit when we're so far below pre-pandemic employment? There are be talent and location mismatches that make both of these true.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  > The article claimed this was negligible. And stats concerning women in the workforce definitely paint a different picture. > There are be talent and location mismatches that make both of these true. So employers need to pay more and offer remote work or pay relocation expenses. There's also a dearth of $1000 new automobiles on the market but no one's suggesting forcing automakers to offer them. Why do we expect labour to bend to the will of companies? They need to offer competitive compensation.

forz877 5y ago

Pandemic restrictions are pretty much nonexistent in large swaths of the US that have similar problems. There is certainly a worker deficit. Our society has moved up the stack and isn't bringing in enough cheap immigrant labor anymore to work the jobs even poor americans won't accept anymore.

Supermancho 5y ago
Example, in North Dakota where you can get a union Costco job for 18$+/hr (or chick fila for 17/hr) there are plenty of places (including hospitals) offering 15$/hr and they can't find people to fill the slots. Your dog grooming is paying 11$/hr? That's just another business going bust. Businesses who were on a shoestring fail and yuppies continue to move in. The regional+national inflation has simply left large chunks of business in the dust without very cheap (immigrant) labor. This causes the makeshift infrastructure to weaken and the communities start to come apart.
- fosk 5y ago
  Wouldn’t this incentivize automation?
  - Supermancho 5y ago
    What does that even mean? How do you incentivize automation for things like surgical tool sterilization (the aforementioned 15$/hr) or pet grooming, for which there is no "automation". Especially when you're working with populations in the thousands or 10s of thousands (eg cities like Bismarck or Billings), who would invest in that? Amazon is dropping in distribution centers from time to time at 15$ an hour when a municipal area gets to be over 100k pop, but that's just one vendor and one vertical.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    Incentives do not necessarily lead to accomplishments.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  I was under the impression that Costco only had union employees in California and a couple east coast states. The vast, vast majority of Costco employees are not in a union.
- pyronik19 5y ago
  Decades of wreckless government money printing for helicopter cash is catching up.

dehrmann 5y ago

> childcare The article claimed this was negligible. > How can anyone say there's a worker deficit when we're so far below pre-pandemic employment? There are be talent and location mismatches that make both of these true.

Mikeb85 5y ago
> The article claimed this was negligible. And stats concerning women in the workforce definitely paint a different picture. > There are be talent and location mismatches that make both of these true. So employers need to pay more and offer remote work or pay relocation expenses. There's also a dearth of $1000 new automobiles on the market but no one's suggesting forcing automakers to offer them. Why do we expect labour to bend to the will of companies? They need to offer competitive compensation.