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German parliament wants Tim Cook to reconsider CSAM plans
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- IAmEveryone 5y agoIt’s the German parliament, not government (although I guess there are definitions that include all three branches, the latter seems to be used synonymously with ‘administration’ here). The committee chair in question is from the liberal (as in libertarian, for Americans) party, which isn’t part of the governing coalition. That being said, the criticism isn’t necessarily outside the mainstream, and both his Free Democrats and, even more so, the Green Party that would likely agree could well be part of the next government six weeks from now.
- 7373737373 5y agoThe governing coalition parties (CDU, SPD) members of the European parliament recently voted for similar measures to allow providers to conduct mass surveillance on their users: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/message-screening/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/message-screening/ > But this is not the end of the story: For autumn 2021, European Commission announced that it will propose a follow-up legislation that will make the use of chatcontrol mandatory for all e-mail and messenger providers. This legislation might then also affect securely end-to-end encrypted communications.
- aksss 5y agoWhen the country that put up with the Gestapo and the Stasi is telling you you've gone too far, I would heed the advice.
- dang 5y agoPlease don't post unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN. We're trying for something different here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- romwell 5y agoI don't think this is flamebait/unsubstantive. A decent part of German population has first-hand experience with living in an overt mass surveillance state that people in the US do not have. As such, we can expect Germans to be more aware of surveillance issues, simply because many have seen where that road leads (while we in the US have not). The parent message is akin to saying that one should take advice on workplace safety from a person injured at work seriously due to them having first-hand experience of the consequence.
- salawat 5y agoThis is one of those rare moments where this is actually a completely legitimate and helpful thing to point out; if this poster hadn't posted it, I would have. This is the AA guy with the 30 year chip telling you to hand over the keys. You listen, and reevaluate if you're smart.
- dang 5y agoSorry, but to my eye at least, it's the most cliché association possible, therefore predictable, and therefore not interesting in HN's since of the word. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=diffs%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... Maybe there's a comment to be made that would show us something about this particular German proposal that's unusually related to this extremely-well-known history in some unexpected way. That could be interesting. But failing that, there have been thousands of stories you could make the same "connection" about, and nothing so generic can be either particularly interesting or particularly accurate. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=generic%20discussion%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... (And that's not even mentioning the veering into classic flamebait territory.)
- tibbydudeza 5y agoEast Germans has first hand experience of mass surveillance by the state secret police (Stasi). "Over 80% of respondents oppose its application to end-to-end encrypted communications."
- Barrin92 5y agoyou don't even need to go to the Stasi. In West Germany there also always was a recognition of the right to private communication which is why the so called Briefgeheimnis ('secrecy of letters'[1]) was enshrined in the basic law. Privacy of correspondence is very, very hard to circumvent for historical reasons but also because it just seems essential to me in a free society to not treat everyone as a potential criminal who is subject to mass surveillance. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secrecy_of_correspondence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secrecy_of_correspondence
- lom 5y agoAs much as I oppose this, calling this the “biggest breach of the dam for the confidentiality of communication that we have seen since the invention of the Internet” is a joke. I can see how apple ‘thinks’ everyone is misunderstanding it. Other service providers have implemented these measures (apples is the least invasive) already a long time ago, and nobody seems to care with them.
- kevinpet 5y agoOther service providers. Meaning when the data goes through their hands. This is different.
- slownews45 5y agoEven funnier coming from places like the EU, which allow govt access to all sorts of communications.
- XorNot 5y agoThere's an awful lot of Apple fans out there over this in the "bargaining" phase of grief with posts like this. If someone pitched you a Linux kernel which did this it would forks and outrage.
- xfitm3 5y agoCitation for pervasive content scanning?
- davikrr 5y agoPhotoDNA: "is an image-identification technology used for detecting child pornography and other illegal content which is reported to the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC) [...] It is used on Microsoft's own services including Bing and OneDrive, as well as by Google's Gmail, Twitter, Facebook, Adobe Systems, Reddit, Discord and the NCMEC, to whom Microsoft donated the technology." [1] I'm (almost) certain any Google service will tag CSAM for reports and will also hash content it deems illegal for the NCMEC too [2], so I wouldn't be surprised if Google Photos already did something like this. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhotoDNA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhotoDNA [2] https://transparencyreport.google.com/child-sexual-abuse-material/reporting?hl=en https://transparencyreport.google.com/child-sexual-abuse-mat...
- mehrdada 5y ago> Apple's CSAM scanning system continues to draw criticism over its existence, largely at a misinterpretation as to what the system does and is capable of doing [emphasis mine]. Is that sloppy journalism blindly parroting Apple PR or an Apple shill?
- gentleman11 5y agoAn article by an apple hype website is somewhat dismissive of everyone’s apple concerns. You don’t exactly hire people for that job who aren’t big fans. It would be nice to find another source with the actual text of the letter but I wasn’t able to find one
- raxxorrax 5y agoWe sadly have tons of such articles, but I would forgive "appleinsider.com" here. You can deduce what to expect. That said, there are election in a few weeks... I think they are mostly lying and there are ambitions from all parties to increase control of online content caused by intangible fears. Parts of EU policy also is in direct contrast to this.
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- drivingmenuts 5y agoNow that Apple has proven they can do it, how long before it’s required by law, regardless of their wishes, and how long before Apple is forced to implement it for other types of images that governments may find objectionable or interesting?
- hypothesis 5y agoIn other threads, someone was asking about same type of images but stored as a pdf or as an archive, as those are not part of iCloud Photo category. It would be strange not to extend this search even further, including iMessage and what have you.
- pacifika 5y agoThe government can read all the iCloud backups, what would that gain them? Vote for a better government
- brokenmachine 5y agoDo government people use iphones? What do they use? I'm curious how they ensure their own security and how Apple's plans affect that.
- SevenSigs 5y agoThey have "custom" devices.
- brokenmachine 5y agoBut from which manufacturers?
- TechBro8615 5y agoPut it this way – when newspapers wanted to know if Biden had spoken to world leaders about the Taliban, they asked the NSA. I think it’s safe to assume at this point that many politicians in the US are compromised by domestic intelligence agencies.