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> ...and this is a problem for society that should be fixed. Yikes! So you now refer to people you disagree with as problems that society must fix? What about

> ...and this is a problem for society that should be fixed. Yikes! So you now refer to people you disagree with as problems that society must fix? What about if I get the vaccine and then suffer an adverse reaction that must be paid for by society (the government)? Does that not affect society either? Should we fix that problem? Here's why you are wrong: * COVID hardly kills. * New Zealand just announced that they are locking down over one case of COVID. * The vaccines are losing effectiveness. * Vaccinated people can still spread the virus. To be honest with you, believing that people who make bad cost-benefit analyses should be prohibited from participating in society is an argument for the War on Drugs. Do you like the War on Drugs? I don't.

lovich 5y ago
> Covid hardly kills Can we stop with the blatant falsehoods? In the US it was the third leading cause of death. It was over 10% of all deaths. The only way this “hardly” kills is if you twist the definition of hardly so badly that nothing meets that bar
- ghoward 5y ago
  > The only way this “hardly” kills is if you twist the definition of hardly so badly that nothing meets that bar How about ratio of cases to deaths? That's what I meant. Obesity hardly kills by my definition, but kills a lot by yours.
  - nradov 5y ago
    The CDC estimates that the ratio of cases to deaths is about 156 to 1 since the start of the pandemic. The ratio is now dramatically better for vaccinated patients who are far less likely to die if they do get infected. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...
- NoPie 5y ago
  > It was over 10% of all deaths. With vaccines it will be less than 1% which is not much. Yearly variations can be easily 10% for any other cause.
geofft 5y ago
I said "this," not "you." I believe that the decision you made is a problem for society. I am no more referring to people I disagree with as a problem than CSPI is referring to the public health officials as people as a problem. They're calling the decisions by those officials a problem. If you think that is tantamount to calling the people themselves a problem, then please be fair and apply your criticism to CSPI as well as myself. I believe that if you suffer an adverse reaction, it should be paid for by society/the government, and that's a good thing (e.g., it incentivizes the government not to mandate vaccines that are likely to cause adverse reactions). The vaccine "hardly" causes adverse reactions, in at least a strong a sense of "hardly" as you are using it. I do not believe that people who are taking drugs are making bad cost/benefit analyses, so I do not agree with your conclusion about the War on Drugs because I reject the premise.
- ghoward 5y ago
  > I do not believe that people who are taking drugs are making bad cost/benefit analyses, so I do not agree with your conclusion about the War on Drugs because I reject the premise. And I reject the premise that I made a bad cost-benefit analysis for the vaccine. If you decide that I did, who gets to decide what's good for society? If you desire the option to take drugs, why can't I have the option of not taking a drug that I don't want?

lovich 5y ago

> Covid hardly kills Can we stop with the blatant falsehoods? In the US it was the third leading cause of death. It was over 10% of all deaths. The only way this “hardly” kills is if you twist the definition of hardly so badly that nothing meets that bar

ghoward 5y ago
> The only way this “hardly” kills is if you twist the definition of hardly so badly that nothing meets that bar How about ratio of cases to deaths? That's what I meant. Obesity hardly kills by my definition, but kills a lot by yours.
- nradov 5y ago
  The CDC estimates that the ratio of cases to deaths is about 156 to 1 since the start of the pandemic. The ratio is now dramatically better for vaccinated patients who are far less likely to die if they do get infected. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...
NoPie 5y ago
> It was over 10% of all deaths. With vaccines it will be less than 1% which is not much. Yearly variations can be easily 10% for any other cause.

geofft 5y ago

I said "this," not "you." I believe that the decision you made is a problem for society. I am no more referring to people I disagree with as a problem than CSPI is referring to the public health officials as people as a problem. They're calling the decisions by those officials a problem. If you think that is tantamount to calling the people themselves a problem, then please be fair and apply your criticism to CSPI as well as myself. I believe that if you suffer an adverse reaction, it should be paid for by society/the government, and that's a good thing (e.g., it incentivizes the government not to mandate vaccines that are likely to cause adverse reactions). The vaccine "hardly" causes adverse reactions, in at least a strong a sense of "hardly" as you are using it. I do not believe that people who are taking drugs are making bad cost/benefit analyses, so I do not agree with your conclusion about the War on Drugs because I reject the premise.

ghoward 5y ago
> I do not believe that people who are taking drugs are making bad cost/benefit analyses, so I do not agree with your conclusion about the War on Drugs because I reject the premise. And I reject the premise that I made a bad cost-benefit analysis for the vaccine. If you decide that I did, who gets to decide what's good for society? If you desire the option to take drugs, why can't I have the option of not taking a drug that I don't want?