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Long term side effects won't be known for 5-10 years, especially as vaccinated people have kids. Reminder of the Thalidomide drug: > Thalidomide is a sedative

Long term side effects won't be known for 5-10 years, especially as vaccinated people have kids. Reminder of the Thalidomide drug: > Thalidomide is a sedative drug discovered at the end of the 50s, which caused a worldwide tragedy. The drug has been prescribed to many pregnant women in order to relieve pregnancy nausea. It was later found that thalidomide caused irreversible damages to the fetus and thousands of children were born with severe congenital malformations. Many of them did not survive more than a few days after they were born. https://thalidomide.ca/en/the-canadian-tragedy/ https://thalidomide.ca/en/the-canadian-tragedy/

smt88 5y ago
> Long term side effects won't be known for 5-10 years, especially as vaccinated people have kids. Good news, then. Viral vector vaccines (like the J&J version) have been studied and tested since the 1970s, and mRNA vaccines (like Pfizer) have been studied since the 1980s[1][2]. What ingredient in Covid vaccines do you suspect will become the new thalidomide? We know that the actual viral vector and mRNA components of the vaccines will degrade and disappear from the body in the short term[3], so it must be one of the other ingredients, right? It's also important to weigh the completely unknown long-term effects of Covid against the well-known long-term effects of training an immune system with a vaccine. 1. https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19-vaccine-wont-have-long-term-side-effects https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19... 2. https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/horizon-magazine/five-things-you-need-know-about-mrna-vaccine-safety https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/horizon-maga... 3. https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where-mrna-vaccines-and-spike-proteins-go https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where-mrna-vaccines-and-sp...
- AuryGlenz 5y ago
  We know that the spike protein itself causes damage. For adults that’s almost never an issue, but I feel like the overarching recommendation that pregnant women get the vaccine is misguided. It doesn’t make much sense to get it if they’ve already had COVID or are still working from home. If those aren’t true then the risk is probably worth it as a raging infection would almost certainly be worse for the baby. I just wish there was some nuance in our government’s recommendations.
  - smt88 5y ago
    The spike protein absolutely does not cause damage. Please cite a reputable source. The claim that the spike protein is dangerous in and of itself is a fixture of anti-vax disinformation online. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/08/fact-check-proteins-covid-19-vaccines-arent-dangerous-toxins/7505236002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/08/fac...
    - dTal 5y ago
      I fear there is a very common phenomenon nowadays - especially in the world of covid - where the wrong people say something for the wrong reasons, which makes right thinking people automatically dismiss it. It's a trap and we shouldn't fall into it. You can't say "The spike protein absolutely does not cause damage". That's going too far. Speaking as someone who doesn't pay attention to whatever the conspiracy theory of the day is, I have nevertheless always wondered about the effect of of proteins in the blood whose sole purpose is to breach cell walls. Your comment motivated me to do a quick google. There are in fact many reputable papers hinting at unpredictable spike protein effects. Here's three: SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Induces Degradation of Junctional Proteins That Maintain Endothelial Barrier Integrity [0] The SARS-CoV-2 spike protein alters barrier function in 2D static and 3D microfluidic in-vitro models of the human blood–brain barrier [1] SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins disrupt the blood-brain barrier, new research shows [2] [0] https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcvm.2021.687783/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcvm.2021.68778... [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096999612030406X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096999612... [2] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201029141941.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201029141941.h...
      - mikeyjk 5y ago
        As someone feeling a bit rough after my first Pfizer dose and generally is a hypochondriac - nooooo
        dTal 5y ago

smt88 5y ago

> Long term side effects won't be known for 5-10 years, especially as vaccinated people have kids. Good news, then. Viral vector vaccines (like the J&J version) have been studied and tested since the 1970s, and mRNA vaccines (like Pfizer) have been studied since the 1980s[1][2]. What ingredient in Covid vaccines do you suspect will become the new thalidomide? We know that the actual viral vector and mRNA components of the vaccines will degrade and disappear from the body in the short term[3], so it must be one of the other ingredients, right? It's also important to weigh the completely unknown long-term effects of Covid against the well-known long-term effects of training an immune system with a vaccine. 1. https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19-vaccine-wont-have-long-term-side-effects https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19... 2. https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/horizon-magazine/five-things-you-need-know-about-mrna-vaccine-safety https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/horizon-maga... 3. https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where-mrna-vaccines-and-spike-proteins-go https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where-mrna-vaccines-and-sp...

AuryGlenz 5y ago
We know that the spike protein itself causes damage. For adults that’s almost never an issue, but I feel like the overarching recommendation that pregnant women get the vaccine is misguided. It doesn’t make much sense to get it if they’ve already had COVID or are still working from home. If those aren’t true then the risk is probably worth it as a raging infection would almost certainly be worse for the baby. I just wish there was some nuance in our government’s recommendations.
- smt88 5y ago
  The spike protein absolutely does not cause damage. Please cite a reputable source. The claim that the spike protein is dangerous in and of itself is a fixture of anti-vax disinformation online. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/08/fact-check-proteins-covid-19-vaccines-arent-dangerous-toxins/7505236002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/08/fac...
  - dTal 5y ago
    I fear there is a very common phenomenon nowadays - especially in the world of covid - where the wrong people say something for the wrong reasons, which makes right thinking people automatically dismiss it. It's a trap and we shouldn't fall into it. You can't say "The spike protein absolutely does not cause damage". That's going too far. Speaking as someone who doesn't pay attention to whatever the conspiracy theory of the day is, I have nevertheless always wondered about the effect of of proteins in the blood whose sole purpose is to breach cell walls. Your comment motivated me to do a quick google. There are in fact many reputable papers hinting at unpredictable spike protein effects. Here's three: SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Induces Degradation of Junctional Proteins That Maintain Endothelial Barrier Integrity [0] The SARS-CoV-2 spike protein alters barrier function in 2D static and 3D microfluidic in-vitro models of the human blood–brain barrier [1] SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins disrupt the blood-brain barrier, new research shows [2] [0] https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcvm.2021.687783/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcvm.2021.68778... [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096999612030406X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096999612... [2] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201029141941.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201029141941.h...
    - mikeyjk 5y ago
      As someone feeling a bit rough after my first Pfizer dose and generally is a hypochondriac - nooooo
      - dTal 5y ago