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Honestly, this just seems like a cheap rip-off of Vivaldi. All of the features(yes, all of them) are already present in Vivaldi, including the split screen, tre

Honestly, this just seems like a cheap rip-off of Vivaldi. All of the features(yes, all of them) are already present in Vivaldi, including the split screen, tree style tabs, sync, global search, full keyboard support. Slapping some UI makeup on top of an already existing product does not warrant a hefty fee of $15 in my view. Also, I don't see any proof that my data is secure. For all I know, you guys will sell off my data after 3 years when this doesn't work out. >We charge $15 per month, no ads, and no data monetization. Isn't it kinda strange that a browser is promising us no ads in the UI, for a price? Like, wasn't that already established? I don't see any other browsers that show ads in the UI(regarding the new tab content, you can easily turn them off). This looks like snake oil the more I look at it. >You can quickly find pages in your history and already-open pages across workspaces. Have you ever typed anything in a chromium address bar? Apart from the snooze and done features, tell me one thing that this browser achieves that isn't already available through free, open-source, trustworthy extensions whose code I can see and audit.

mixmastamyk 5y ago
This is a particularly nasty comment that has no business being at the top.
mynameisvlad 5y ago
> Apart from the snooze and done features, tell me one thing that this browser achieves that isn't already available through free, open-source, trustworthy extensions whose code I can see and audit. Is there a Spotlight/Alfred extension for Chrome/ium/Firefox? I haven't seen that UX in a browser yet.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  Yes. Vivaldi has one that can be invoked with F2, by default.
  - nhooyr 5y ago
    I think the parent is asking whether there is an extension for Alfred/Safari can search tabs in Chromium/Firefox. Not an Alfred like UI in Chromium/Firefox.
    - mynameisvlad 5y ago
      More specifically, if there was a F2-like extension for Safari or Chrome. I didn't realize Vivaldi had it and it seems like one genuinely useful feature from this that I would use.
  - entropie 5y ago
    I was curious. F2 does nothing for me.
- azinman2 5y ago
  While I don’t think this browser is for me, cobbling it all together with extensions isn’t the same thing as having a unified product. Only with a unified product can you have a completely consistent experience across all of the features.. like having sharing come into its own workspace next to the ones you created.. and then being able to share via shortcuts into someone else’s shared inbox. I’m not sure this product is fully differentiated yet, but that doesn’t mean extensions are the real competition. The real competition is the default browser.
- Nullabillity 5y ago
  Firefox integrates straight into KDE's KRunner framework, for one.
jayparth 5y ago
I wonder what it is about hacker news that brings out this incessant negativity in people. Have you considered that: - This product might only be a couple of months old and they have bigger plans for it over the next year? - The founders don't have all the answers and they're learning just as much as we are right now? - Even though YOU might not see enough value to warrant the price tag, there might be people (or businesses) who do? Maybe you just can't empathize because you haven't build something from 0 -> 1 yet. I am the same age as you but I have failed building a couple of things before, where it looks like you have had a bunch of jobs. I don't cast scorn on people who are early on building things, because I've been in their shoes. Maybe you're right and there's nothing here. Or maybe in two years, their browser is miles ahead of the extension you're referring to. > tell me one thing that this browser achieves that isn't already available through free, open-source, trustworthy extensions whose code I can see and audit. They don't have to tell you anything. Go use your browser extension. You aren't the market.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  Maybe they shouldn't charge $15/month for a product that's incomplete. The only reason I'm not the target audience here is because I won't use a subscription-based browser, much less one that has fewer features than my current browser. I respect people who build software, but you have to get pricing right if you want people to care. > I wonder what it is about hacker news that brings out this incessant negativity in people. It's an incubator site. We're here to offer our advice on upcoming products, and many people post their products explicitly to hear what they might be doing wrong. It's a trial-by-fire, but rapid iteration will almost always yield a better product.
  - csilverman 5y ago
    Agreed. The subscription pricing model alone is an instant disqualifier. $15 for a one-time purchase? I'd absolutely consider it. $15/month? Never.
    - etothepii 5y ago
      The comparison of one time vs subscription wouldn't be $15 vs $15 but more like $500 vs $15.

mixmastamyk 5y ago

This is a particularly nasty comment that has no business being at the top.

mynameisvlad 5y ago

> Apart from the snooze and done features, tell me one thing that this browser achieves that isn't already available through free, open-source, trustworthy extensions whose code I can see and audit. Is there a Spotlight/Alfred extension for Chrome/ium/Firefox? I haven't seen that UX in a browser yet.

smoldesu 5y ago
Yes. Vivaldi has one that can be invoked with F2, by default.
- nhooyr 5y ago
  I think the parent is asking whether there is an extension for Alfred/Safari can search tabs in Chromium/Firefox. Not an Alfred like UI in Chromium/Firefox.
  - mynameisvlad 5y ago
    More specifically, if there was a F2-like extension for Safari or Chrome. I didn't realize Vivaldi had it and it seems like one genuinely useful feature from this that I would use.
- entropie 5y ago
  I was curious. F2 does nothing for me.
azinman2 5y ago
While I don’t think this browser is for me, cobbling it all together with extensions isn’t the same thing as having a unified product. Only with a unified product can you have a completely consistent experience across all of the features.. like having sharing come into its own workspace next to the ones you created.. and then being able to share via shortcuts into someone else’s shared inbox. I’m not sure this product is fully differentiated yet, but that doesn’t mean extensions are the real competition. The real competition is the default browser.
Nullabillity 5y ago
Firefox integrates straight into KDE's KRunner framework, for one.

jayparth 5y ago

I wonder what it is about hacker news that brings out this incessant negativity in people. Have you considered that: - This product might only be a couple of months old and they have bigger plans for it over the next year? - The founders don't have all the answers and they're learning just as much as we are right now? - Even though YOU might not see enough value to warrant the price tag, there might be people (or businesses) who do? Maybe you just can't empathize because you haven't build something from 0 -> 1 yet. I am the same age as you but I have failed building a couple of things before, where it looks like you have had a bunch of jobs. I don't cast scorn on people who are early on building things, because I've been in their shoes. Maybe you're right and there's nothing here. Or maybe in two years, their browser is miles ahead of the extension you're referring to. > tell me one thing that this browser achieves that isn't already available through free, open-source, trustworthy extensions whose code I can see and audit. They don't have to tell you anything. Go use your browser extension. You aren't the market.

smoldesu 5y ago
Maybe they shouldn't charge $15/month for a product that's incomplete. The only reason I'm not the target audience here is because I won't use a subscription-based browser, much less one that has fewer features than my current browser. I respect people who build software, but you have to get pricing right if you want people to care. > I wonder what it is about hacker news that brings out this incessant negativity in people. It's an incubator site. We're here to offer our advice on upcoming products, and many people post their products explicitly to hear what they might be doing wrong. It's a trial-by-fire, but rapid iteration will almost always yield a better product.
- csilverman 5y ago
  Agreed. The subscription pricing model alone is an instant disqualifier. $15 for a one-time purchase? I'd absolutely consider it. $15/month? Never.
  - etothepii 5y ago
    The comparison of one time vs subscription wouldn't be $15 vs $15 but more like $500 vs $15.