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I understand why (historically), but it is still one of those things that cannot be unseen once you see them - there are no women in those paintings/photos. It

I understand why (historically), but it is still one of those things that cannot be unseen once you see them - there are no women in those paintings/photos. It really boggles the mind of a modern human.

whoaisme 5y ago
Yawn. Really tired of self congratulatory comments like this. You live in more or less the same society today. It doesn't boggle the modern mind at all and you saying it does is shallow virtue signaling and nothing more.
jhgb 5y ago
> It really boggles the mind of a modern human. I'm not sure it would, since it would still be unlikely today for them to be there in these military positions.
- scoopertrooper 5y ago
  Yup, that's a bunch dudes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Chiefs_of_Staff#Current_members_of_the_Joint_Chiefs_of_Staff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Chiefs_of_Staff#Current_...
  - sumedh 5y ago
    bunch of white dudes and token minority :)
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benbenolson 5y ago
If this boggles your mind, you are very confused indeed.
sandworm101 5y ago
>> there are no women in those paintings/photos. Except the last one, the one from 1995. Progress happened. I"m glad to see that the first woman to be depicted is actually sitting at the table. I'd be unhappy if the one woman in the article was servant or mistress to one of the men. This woman is clearly a world leaders, although I cannot figure out who she is. (Is the woman leaning over the table Hillary Clinton?)
- gjm11 5y ago
  I think the seated woman is Pauline Neville-Jones, who was leading the UK's delegation. She was a senior civil servant (director of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office) rather than a world leader. I think the woman in green leaning over the table is some sort of aide rather than a person of power in her own right. See e.g. the picture here https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/20/dayton-25-years https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/20/dayton-25-years where she's apparently sorting out a document for the president of Bosnia while others to her left and right are doing likewise for the presidents of Serbia and Croatia.
  - jhgb 5y ago
    > I think the seated woman is Pauline Neville-Jones, who was leading the UK's delegation. It is her: https://www.c-span.org/video/?68521-1/bosnia-peace-agreement https://www.c-span.org/video/?68521-1/bosnia-peace-agreement
- adventured 5y ago
  Not sure who the woman is, however it's not Clinton.
- blkhawk 5y ago
  There are woman in the 1975 one as well - its sorta hard to tell but one is right in the middle-left foreground. The others in the distance are less clear - but there are clearly some in the press pool? on the middle balcony.
gumby 5y ago
Yes, until the Dayton accords, though likely at Helsinki too, though there’s no way to see. I thought I saw a flash of white in the Versailles treaty photo but when I zoomed in it was just some man in a lightly colored suit.

whoaisme 5y ago

Yawn. Really tired of self congratulatory comments like this. You live in more or less the same society today. It doesn't boggle the modern mind at all and you saying it does is shallow virtue signaling and nothing more.

jhgb 5y ago

> It really boggles the mind of a modern human. I'm not sure it would, since it would still be unlikely today for them to be there in these military positions.

scoopertrooper 5y ago
Yup, that's a bunch dudes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Chiefs_of_Staff#Current_members_of_the_Joint_Chiefs_of_Staff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Chiefs_of_Staff#Current_...
- sumedh 5y ago
  bunch of white dudes and token minority :)
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benbenolson 5y ago

If this boggles your mind, you are very confused indeed.

sandworm101 5y ago

>> there are no women in those paintings/photos. Except the last one, the one from 1995. Progress happened. I"m glad to see that the first woman to be depicted is actually sitting at the table. I'd be unhappy if the one woman in the article was servant or mistress to one of the men. This woman is clearly a world leaders, although I cannot figure out who she is. (Is the woman leaning over the table Hillary Clinton?)

gjm11 5y ago
I think the seated woman is Pauline Neville-Jones, who was leading the UK's delegation. She was a senior civil servant (director of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office) rather than a world leader. I think the woman in green leaning over the table is some sort of aide rather than a person of power in her own right. See e.g. the picture here https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/20/dayton-25-years https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/20/dayton-25-years where she's apparently sorting out a document for the president of Bosnia while others to her left and right are doing likewise for the presidents of Serbia and Croatia.
- jhgb 5y ago
  > I think the seated woman is Pauline Neville-Jones, who was leading the UK's delegation. It is her: https://www.c-span.org/video/?68521-1/bosnia-peace-agreement https://www.c-span.org/video/?68521-1/bosnia-peace-agreement
adventured 5y ago
Not sure who the woman is, however it's not Clinton.
blkhawk 5y ago
There are woman in the 1975 one as well - its sorta hard to tell but one is right in the middle-left foreground. The others in the distance are less clear - but there are clearly some in the press pool? on the middle balcony.

gumby 5y ago

Yes, until the Dayton accords, though likely at Helsinki too, though there’s no way to see. I thought I saw a flash of white in the Versailles treaty photo but when I zoomed in it was just some man in a lightly colored suit.