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Are they taking into account the carbon footprint of the enormous yachts the Nestlé executives buy and operate with the profits from water sales in their analys

Are they taking into account the carbon footprint of the enormous yachts the Nestlé executives buy and operate with the profits from water sales in their analysis? What about the pipe fitters union lobbying to require lead pipes decades after universal acceptance of the dangers of lead and the enormous cost to replace?

gruez 5y ago
That seems like unnecessary ragebait and opens up the metric to all kinds of manipulation. eg. is microsoft office better or worse libreoffice than once you factor in that bill gates' philanthropic activities?
Scoundreller 5y ago
I think this about my government's decision to implement electricity metering in all new apartment construction. Except apartment dwellers have little control over their appliances (they're generally included), and you pay $13+/month in account fees for the individual meters. They even tried to push this on existing apartments, but I'd have to consume 33% less than average just to break-even. Hard to do when HVAC&DHW are central and laundry is common. So while I would have some incentive to conserve, I end up poorer and somebody else gets rich off account fees and likely lives a very wasteful life. Then the transition to smart meters that do time-of-day billing, but its been shown to shift demand by under 1 percent. Meanwhile the thing consumes a few watts 24/7 + implementation capex. Meter-reading is now remote, but what did the meter-reader human start doing instead? > The Environmental Commissioner of Ontario's 2015-16 Energy Conservation Progress Report found "a 0.7 per cent reduction in peak demand among residential customers" attributed to time-of-use pricing over a four-year period. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/smart-meters-hydro-bills-ontario-time-of-use-pricing-1.3862462 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/smart-meters-hydro-bi...
- gruez 5y ago
  >Meter-reading is now remote, but what did the meter-reader human start doing instead? presumably unemployed. Not that's a bad thing, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

gruez 5y ago

That seems like unnecessary ragebait and opens up the metric to all kinds of manipulation. eg. is microsoft office better or worse libreoffice than once you factor in that bill gates' philanthropic activities?

Scoundreller 5y ago

I think this about my government's decision to implement electricity metering in all new apartment construction. Except apartment dwellers have little control over their appliances (they're generally included), and you pay $13+/month in account fees for the individual meters. They even tried to push this on existing apartments, but I'd have to consume 33% less than average just to break-even. Hard to do when HVAC&DHW are central and laundry is common. So while I would have some incentive to conserve, I end up poorer and somebody else gets rich off account fees and likely lives a very wasteful life. Then the transition to smart meters that do time-of-day billing, but its been shown to shift demand by under 1 percent. Meanwhile the thing consumes a few watts 24/7 + implementation capex. Meter-reading is now remote, but what did the meter-reader human start doing instead? > The Environmental Commissioner of Ontario's 2015-16 Energy Conservation Progress Report found "a 0.7 per cent reduction in peak demand among residential customers" attributed to time-of-use pricing over a four-year period. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/smart-meters-hydro-bills-ontario-time-of-use-pricing-1.3862462 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/smart-meters-hydro-bi...

gruez 5y ago
>Meter-reading is now remote, but what did the meter-reader human start doing instead? presumably unemployed. Not that's a bad thing, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window