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This I think is a bit of HN myopia. I've talked around and nobody I know is even aware of this, when I brought it up, they didn't care about the issue. It's n

This I think is a bit of HN myopia. I've talked around and nobody I know is even aware of this, when I brought it up, they didn't care about the issue. It's not news in the commons, it's not on CNN, Fox or MSNBC right now as a headline. It's one of those tertiary concerns that frustrates some groups, but most people are not aware and would only marginally maligned, and a good 2/3 of people really don't care. I suspect most people would have a difficult time with the 'slippery slope' issue and would accept the 'it's for the children' terms at face value. It is what it is, but it's worth understanding how regular people think about these issues.

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zarzavat 5y ago
That's true. However, Apple is part of the same tech bubble as HN users. There are Apple employees reading this thread right now. Most regular people don't care about privacy either and just follow soundbites in the mainstream media e.g. "WhatsApp is spying on you!!!". But as long as HN/Apple think that they do then all is good.
pembrook 5y ago
Just wait until the September event. Apple’s media attention quadruples during that time. “Apple creates authoritarian government wet dream” will be the main narrative coming out of the iPhone event. Not the new phone. And investors will not be happy.
- zepto 5y ago
  I doubt that. I mentioned it to a non-tech person today. They hadn’t seen the news, and their first instinct was to empathize with the Apple executives having to confront that their products are enabling pedophiles.
  - katbyte 5y ago
    hearin the number of CSAM reports apple made (265) vs facebook (10 million) changed my perspective. i don't like it but they are going to have to start scanning icloud photos sometime
    - zepto 5y ago
      Yeah - I can hear Tim Cook quoting those numbers as he explains this on stage.
    - pembrook 5y ago
      I don’t think anybody has a problem with iCloud scanning (don’t they do it already?). Apple owns their servers, so I don’t care if they scan them. It’s the on-device scanning that is the massive overreach. It’s like being forced to allow a government employee to live in your home and watch your behavior 24/7 for anything they don’t like. “Oh but John is only looking for specific bad behavior like drug use, you don’t have to worry. He would never report you for anything else, we promise! If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn’t be upset that John is living with you now!”
      - zepto 5y ago
        > I don’t think anybody has a problem with iCloud scanning The large number of people here who want iCloud to be E2E have a problem with it. > (don’t they do it already?). Apparently not for files and photos. They may well do it for email.
- userbinator 5y ago
  Unfortunately, it seems the majority of the population are assuredly already rather authoritarian-leaning.
  - newsbinator 5y ago
    I wouldn't necessarily say authoritarian-leaning. More like "just this once"-leaning, without realizing there's no such thing.
pcurve 5y ago
This is a potentially sensitive and conflicting topic. I don't think people can take strong view on this in real life for multiple reasons, one of them being pedophilia is a disorder that is not super uncommon. The fact that WSJ did a story on this with and a lengthy interview with Apple SVP means this is already a mainstream story.

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zarzavat 5y ago

That's true. However, Apple is part of the same tech bubble as HN users. There are Apple employees reading this thread right now. Most regular people don't care about privacy either and just follow soundbites in the mainstream media e.g. "WhatsApp is spying on you!!!". But as long as HN/Apple think that they do then all is good.

pembrook 5y ago

Just wait until the September event. Apple’s media attention quadruples during that time. “Apple creates authoritarian government wet dream” will be the main narrative coming out of the iPhone event. Not the new phone. And investors will not be happy.

zepto 5y ago
I doubt that. I mentioned it to a non-tech person today. They hadn’t seen the news, and their first instinct was to empathize with the Apple executives having to confront that their products are enabling pedophiles.
- katbyte 5y ago
  hearin the number of CSAM reports apple made (265) vs facebook (10 million) changed my perspective. i don't like it but they are going to have to start scanning icloud photos sometime
  - zepto 5y ago
    Yeah - I can hear Tim Cook quoting those numbers as he explains this on stage.
  - pembrook 5y ago
    I don’t think anybody has a problem with iCloud scanning (don’t they do it already?). Apple owns their servers, so I don’t care if they scan them. It’s the on-device scanning that is the massive overreach. It’s like being forced to allow a government employee to live in your home and watch your behavior 24/7 for anything they don’t like. “Oh but John is only looking for specific bad behavior like drug use, you don’t have to worry. He would never report you for anything else, we promise! If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn’t be upset that John is living with you now!”
    - zepto 5y ago
      > I don’t think anybody has a problem with iCloud scanning The large number of people here who want iCloud to be E2E have a problem with it. > (don’t they do it already?). Apparently not for files and photos. They may well do it for email.
userbinator 5y ago
Unfortunately, it seems the majority of the population are assuredly already rather authoritarian-leaning.
- newsbinator 5y ago
  I wouldn't necessarily say authoritarian-leaning. More like "just this once"-leaning, without realizing there's no such thing.

pcurve 5y ago

This is a potentially sensitive and conflicting topic. I don't think people can take strong view on this in real life for multiple reasons, one of them being pedophilia is a disorder that is not super uncommon. The fact that WSJ did a story on this with and a lengthy interview with Apple SVP means this is already a mainstream story.